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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby Dylan » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:08 pm

I'd still disagree
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby Indy » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:36 pm

Let me break it down for everybody, where this road leads (although we're already there for the most part).

When you work for a corporation, you have no rights. None. Oh, sure, most companies have "policies" but I can assure you from first-hand experience that those can be discarded at the whim of management, and you have no recourse. Whatever rights you do have are because of our gov't (against harassment, discrimination, etc.) but even that's not a sure thing because lawsuits cost money and we know who wins that battle.

They are amoral. They have no moral obligation to do the right thing, and there are no repercussions internally if they do not. If they mismanage the company or are just bad people, you have no power to remove them (ostensibly shareholders can do that but the point is: you cannot). By definition, their only priority is profit without regard to how that profit is acquired or, conversely, what's fair and just when having to make decisions to further that profit--so if that means cutting those hard-working people who've never done anything wrong so you can show an improvement in bottom line, so be it. And yes it will most often be those "little" people and not those in the c-suite.

Corporations are also bonafide examples of the folly of trickle-down economics and actually prove the opposite. Profits that are made are vacuumed upward while the rank-and-file are told every year that their raises will be minimal/non-existent because allegedly times are tough. Like the America that so many plutocrats fetishize and which we have now seen put into action with Wall St., virtually all the profits and gains go the the uppermost in that arrangement while all the sacrifices and financial hits are put upon the lower levels. Sound vaguely familiar? So you'll see things like a CEO making $25 million a year talking about how increasing minimum wage a dollar would ruin their business.

In an allegedly representative gov't, you HAVE rights and you have remedies and those in charge of running things--the way it's supposed to work--will have accountability because it they don't do their jobs they can be removed from office. That is supposed to be what keeps them in line, along with the idea that they actually want to serve their constituents (remember as an employee you are merely an instrument to generate profit--you are there to serve them and not vice-versa). Before our downward slide began, this country was operated economically and governmentally so that those who got educated (or even not) and worked hard could climb the ladder--capitalism meant that you always had a chance at wealth, without having to be born into it. As a citizen, your rights and freedoms are sacred things granted to you by our founders and The Constitution, with no regard to whether you're generating a profit or not.

It worked so well for a while--capitalism cradled in sensible regulation--until the plutos decided apparently having a huge middle class meant less money for them. To sit on. And here we are.

So, as I detailed how you don't have rights in a corporation and they don't have accountability to you while the opposite is true, we now have a system where they are no longer accountable to gov't--in fact, they've usurped it. Yet they're supposedly "people." People to whom laws don't apply--even though they apply to all the actual people in this country.

Thus, we now have a setup where the country is being run very much like a corporation, where rules and law are for the regular joes, all the nation's wealth is being vacuumed into the top 10% while when it comes to providing for the people well, you're just going to have to either dig deeper into your pockets or watch programs get eliminated. You will also be taxed, of course, whereas these other "people" pay a phenomenally lower rate--if they pay at all.

So this is how we want our country run? Like a corporation? Hell why not go back to feudalism because this sure sounds like it.
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:44 pm

Top 10% bro with a big ass vacuum here. What can I help you with?
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby Indy » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:48 pm

You're not addressing any problem. Just stating how you're going to capitalize on it.
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:52 pm

DON'T BE A TOUGH GUY. DON'T BE A FOOL! I WILL CALL YOU LATER.
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

Postby exploited » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:57 pm

Saz is only in the top 10% of baristas.

My guess is that he is a middle class kid with self-esteem problems.
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Re: If Corporations Are People and People Pay Taxes Then...

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