by ToddStarnes » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:58 am
@Saz
Not into quote bubbles these days, so will just respond here. It seems you acknowledge the culture of black communities does need to change. This is good, and something a lot of people refuse to even entertain. Thanks for keeping an open mind. I agree with you that government assistance is important and necessary in some cases. We differ in that I think government assistance is utterly useless without fundamental changes in behavior (basic concepts I described earlier - don't commit major crimes, don't have kids outside of marriage, graduate high school - really, really simple stuff that *anybody* can achieve).
I agree with you it's great that Obama was elected POTUS. I don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand though, which is about how to improve the situation of the average Black person in America.
I've stipulated many times that the plight of Black society is the result of America's actions. I'm not sure why you keep trying to make a point I've agreed to.....
I disagree that the change has to be driven from the top. It simply can't be. The aspects of Black culture that need to be fixed can't be mandated by the government. They have to come from within the community.
I don't lump minorities together - another of many lies from you (typical dorky black guy). You insinuated earlier other groups haven't improved. They have - just correcting your misinformation/lies, friend.
I'm genuinely confused on your point about Black people not committing felonies. Can you extrapolate on why slavery means that "don't commit felonies" is a confusing concept for Black people?
Agree with you on small scale harassment of poor people in poor communities by police. I don't know what you mean by a felony record for nug of weed in your car (where is marijuana possession a felony)?
Punished for success in the Black community is a concept we've discussed ad naseum. You don't think it exists and reject the lived experiences of Black men who have experienced it (while you yourself aren't *really* Black, as we both know). That's okay - you do you bro.
In any event, I don't think we're actually that far apart here. It seems you agree Black people need to change a lot of their behavior, we just differ on how much the government can assist with this process. You feel social engineering from on high is the only way to achieve change, I think it needs to be driven from within the community instead of mandated.