EDL Leader Tommy Robinson condemns mosque burning

[Sparse1]

I still find it faintly preposterous that he's a Catholic.

If Muslims depopulate entire villages, repeatedly try and invade in order to force the English to turn to their religions, burn people of other faiths at the stake, try and blow up the houses of parliament, invite foreign armies into any land they own to try and invade, declare themselves unchallengeable rulers by right, try and oust the government, massacre members of other religions, conspire against the instruments of the state and randomly murder anybody who isn't them, then they may get close to equalling the behaviour of Catholics in English history.

I appreciate that in the modern world pretty much all Catholics find all such things totally abhorrent and are fair and reasonable people who would never dream of doing such things, but then they don't repeatedly say so and the Vatican has never actually apologised or condemned these past actions.................

Also England is a protestant country, so he is a follower of a religion as un-English as Islam.

I have no idea if he is a racist or a fascist but he is a bloody hypocrite.

[Thundertaker]

Back in the 17th Century, the Catholic Pope was a much more aggressively political figure who viewed Protestant monarchs as 'heretics' and via Papal Bulls like the Regnans in Excelsis formally absolved any catholic subject of any allegience to them and commanded them to do what they could to overthrow them and even went so far as to threaten anyone who retained their allegience with excommunication. For this reason, Catholics where quite rightly seen by English and British Governments as a security threat even more serious than Islam is right now.

However, that was a very long time ago, and it would be very silly to equate modern-day Catholicism with what it was 100s of years ago. Unfortunately, Islam has not undergone a similar reform to its political agenda, and many influential clerics, like the Pope of old, demand that their followers sever any allegiance to infidel-run nations and wage war upon them in various ways to subvert them and spread their influence.

When Islam undergoes a similar depoliticisation process as the Catholic Church did which allows its followers to integrate properly within those who do not share their religious beliefs, there will not be a problem with Islam. I have my doubts this will ever happen though, as Islam is very decentralised, especially since the Sunni Caliphate was abolished in 1924 by Kemal Attaturk. A great mistake in hindsight because it leaves no central pope-like religious figurehead who has the spiritual authority to effectively depoliticise Islam and confine it to the spiritual realm.

[The Dharma Bum]

Look, anti-islamism is a form of chauvinism. Any political group that uses chauvinism to solidify their political base is a fascist group.

There's no getting around it. This group is racist, chauvinistic, and clearly a far right fascist political group. If you cannot see that I don't know what to tell you.

This group is no different that when the nazis (ie German Defense League) were still a fringe political group shouting about how they have to get rid of the "Jewish menace" that is ruining Germany.

It's no different. People have to say no to this kind of crap and you are smarter than this.

[Thundertaker]

[Sparse1]

[Sparse1]

[Thundertaker]

'Chauvinism' is the irrational belief that the demographic group you belong to is superior to others, I fail to see how opposing Islamism matches that description. Firstly because the EDL's opposition to Islamism is not based on irrational and unthinking pride in a non-Muslim identity, but on a considered threat to the values and way of life of those who do not shared the Islamist vision.
Secondly, the EDL is not attacking all non-British idenities, but one specific ideology that is hostile to Britain's (not to mention the rest of the non-Muslim world's) way of life.

[lnrw]

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Comrade]