The Socialist Dream Crumbles in Venezuela

[Spider]

[Spider]

And all this trivializing of Native American groups I see you've been doing here, portraying them as doe-eyed pacifists, prancing around in an idyllic, blissfully idealized fantasy is extremely offensive, btw. These were real people, living real lives, with all the complexity, violence, accomplishment, and heritage of any other group(s) around the world, and for some reason you're trying to revise them into convenient cartoon characters in your twisted, dehumanizing narrative.

f**k that. Stop homogenizing and diminishing people, and stop rewriting their history.

[The Dharma Bum]

I never once portrayed native americans as pacifists or their lives as idyllic. I simply pointed out their societies lack the institutionalized coercion that characterizes western culture.

That's just an out and out lie.

[The Dharma Bum]

The bourgeois anti-intellectualism of spider and exploited is tiresome. Neither of you understand the first thing about history,anthropology, or sociology, nor do you have any conception about what indigenous culture was like beyond what you see on TV.

From this point on I will be ignoring your febrile attempts to mischaracterize my arguments rather than provide any kind of evidence backed narrative in response to them.

[Spider]

[Spider]

[exploited]

Institutionalized coercion like a law that calls for people to be beaten to death for refusing to give consent? A law that was necessary to end hundreds or thousands of years of inter-tribe conflicts in order to deal with a greater threat, and which then fell apart as separate tribes pursued their own course of action, due to their inability to produce a consensus?

You honestly couldn't have picked a worse example, lol.

[The Dharma Bum]

It's not my example, it's an example from Bruce E. Levine, PhD, a clinical psychologist. Additionally, I've explained twice already why your idea that the GLoP shows that Iroquois culture featured institutionalized coercion is invalid, so you are merely repeating a fallacy over and over at this point .

[exploited]

[The Comrade]