The Socialist Dream Crumbles in Venezuela

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Where do you get this stuff? Coercion is quite obviously an inherent aspect of human society, as literally every documented civilization, whether agrarian, hunter-gatherer, industrialized, etc. has and does practice it. This has been proven again and again and again - no matter how egalitarian and consensual a society, there are always going to be circumstances in which blatant coercive violence is not only the best course of action, but absolutely necessary for the survival of that society.

Comrade, broken robot, myself, even Hurf recognize that coercion will ultimately be required at some point in time. We also more or less agree that the less coercion, the better. But to argue that the class system, and the total nutjobs who have propagated it for nearly a thousand years, are just going to agree to have all their power stripped from them for the betterment of society is total, absolute delusion. They will need to be forced to give up every small gain we make. Period. Hippy nonsense about non-violence and consensus-building will be the first thing to go when people adopt a war footing, and rightfully so.

[The Dharma Bum]

I don't think JD ever actually ventured his opinion on the subject. Not saying he agrees with my thinking in any way, but as I am interested in his input I did happen to notice he didn't really say anything one way or another.

Also you are ignoring my argument and replacing it with one of your own construction. Here it is again:

If sexual coercion is an invalid social interaction why are political and economic coercion valid forms of social interaction?

They all seem equally invalid from a strictly logical standpoint.

[The Dharma Bum]

No one ever said class struggle was going to be a bed of roses. However, an organized international working class has the potential to stop or severely hinder production, and that is the most powerful force in human society.

[Showboat]

I love reading about these socialist-wet-dream-fantasy-utopias. All carefully theorised by people much cleverer than me but I still know that as soon as they actually get tried for real the result will again just be mass starvation.

[Spider]

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[JDHURF]

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[The Dharma Bum]