Internet as Infrastructure

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[Kane]

Unlimited data in my area on T-Mobile: $80 a month excluding taxes/fees
Mobile Internet: $70 a month for 11GB

[John Galt]

i get a discount because im a corporate whore. it's something like 60 a month or whatever with fees. i dunno, i have software to handle those kinds of transactions for me, Kane

my cable is charter and they're fine for internet

so you're saying your area needs it. that's great, that doesn't mean necessarily that government should handle it. as saz points out, the government manages to f**k everything up.

deregulation and allowing any provider to provide service i think is the answer here, not monopolizing it in the government where we'll all have equally shit service

[Kane]

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[John Galt]

between 2001 and 2011 ND added 67,224 jobs. of those 3,683 were stem related, for an average of 0.9 jobs/day. from 2010 to 2012 this number rose, to roughly 1900 per year. but no where is anyone talking about CREATING 200 - 400 JOBS A DAY. are you INSANE? have you looked at a map in your life?? The entire state of north dakota has a population of 723,393. in 2007 it was at 657,569. even if all of them went to STEM jobs over that period you're saying that the population between then and 2013 would have raised mroe than the entire popualtion of the state is currently. north dakota would have going on 2 million people in it today if what you said was true.

but of course, it's not.

what it is saying is that there are roughly 300 vacancies a day. they have a labor shortage because north dakota is awful and no one wants to live there. high speed internet apparently isn't the draw they hoped.

look at this. scroll to the end. what is the number one paying STEM Job?

http://www.usinnovation.org/state/pdf_c ... Dakota.pdf

that's right, drilling baby. the reason why they got so many is because of OIL TUBES NOT INTERNET ONES

and the biggest contractors for such jobs other than oil is jsut a bunch of defense stuff. it's all government work. thats not driving anything. it's also saying they'll continue to need more people. so it looks like all that money is really paying off?

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[John Galt]

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Beyond rightfully pointing out my terrible reading comprehension, did you actually have an argument to present? Because you haven't proven any of your original points - even if I accept everything presented so far at face value, the only thing you've proven is that oil and gas is a big industry in North Dakota, and that you really have no idea at all how many of the high-tech jobs are related to it.

I, on the other hand, have presented not only a proven case study - Chattanooga - but also empirical evidence that suggests adopting fiber led to an annual GDP increase of $100 million in fourteen separate communities. And I can always fall back on the STEM boom in North Dakota, since you haven't actually proven anything meaningful about that so far.

[The Comrade]

oh shit galt are you gonna take this lying down?