Rape Culture

[Aaron]

That is the interweaving of sexuality and language. A concept Americans are embarrassingly bad at comprehending. Because the United States is so dysfunctionally chaste in comparison to Europe, our sexual expression comes out as metaphorical platitudes instead of honest sexual expression.

It also provides convenient circumstantial evidence of "rape culture".


Americans haven't even begun to be honest about sexuality, but we're already reprimanding ourselves for overstepping our bounds. Its complete retardation.

[Lobster]

Don't think this is limited to the US. The origin of a lot of this pomo nonsense were french marxist philosophers and social "scientists". Yes Indy, marxists, that word doesn't have the same connotation of being completely alien and evil as in the US. Communists have been an accepted and occasionally very popular part of the political and academic landscape of France since they first appeared. It's a matter of fact description. And have a look at Sweden's pack of deranged gender warriors placed at the highest levels of governance one of these days, or the neo-puritan UK champagne socialists. I'm the first to appreciate some good US bashing, but I'd feel like a complete hypocrite in this case.

[The Dharma Bum]

The threat of men being institutionalized by the state with same sex rapists as a social control has absolutely nothing to do with "gender war" or out of control feminism.

It is an issue with the culture at large, which condones or even encourages rape in certain circumstances.

"don't drop the soap"

[The Dharma Bum]

[Lobster]

You're right, "rape culture" in prisons has absolutely nothing to do with gender wars or sexism. I suppose that's why there is so much funding, media and institutions bringing attention to it, so unlike the completely ignored "it's the patriarchy, stupid" angle, right?

That it is a symptom of society as opposed to what always happens when you have a completely regimented, sexually segregated, socially isolated culture with no or almost no privacy is questionable. This shit happened in old boarding schools, on ships, in military situations, the world over and across many cultures. Maybe sex is just a psychologically necessary human need, and the extreme repression of it comes out in damaging ways? Couldn't possibly be that simple.

I understand why you'd paint it as a fundamental flaw that shows how f**k up our society is, taking something that is by definition OUTSIDE of common society and trying to paint it as a symptom of the whole. Because your shtick is human hating self-loathing misanthrope thinly disguised with hypocritical moral superiority.

[Lobster]

If there's anything that perpetuates prison rape culture and how ignored victims of it are, if not outright mocked, it's the difference between rehabilitation vs retribution in perceptions of justice and law.It's popularly not seen as a problem because it is supposed to be part and parcel of a "punishment". The focus on retribution is a more than adequate answer in my opinion. By definition the rights and freedoms of criminals that are restricted or removed are seen as "good" things, or they wouldn't be taken away. I'm not sure how that's linked in any way to your word salad above, in which of course you had to insert the classic shibboleth of consumerism and some vague, undefinable "unconscious" social manipulation as the source of all terrible things.

[The Dharma Bum]

[Lobster]

So you're saying the sexual repression in maximum security prisons, those extremely regimented and controlled institutions designed to specifically take away the rights and freedoms society grants as a matter of course to all individuals, is exactly like that of society at large and a mirror of it. And this doesn't strike you as a exageration that simply tickles your long ago conceived notion that the very existence of modern society is toxic and unnatural? I guess it makes sense if you think society IS exactly like a maximum security prison. Like I said, it takes a certain amount of narcissism and victim martyr complex to reach that conclusion. Not to mention completely ignoring literally all of recorded and contemporary human history.

[The Dharma Bum]

another absurd straw man deployed lol

I'm saying that US society condones the informal threat of prison rape as a social control, so rape is culturally acceptable in that circumstance.

in regards to US society, culturally speaking, rape is accepted as potentially being a part of the punishment for social transgression. To the degree that jokes about this are quite common, so it's definitely part of the culture.

[Lobster]

US culture also condones the death penalty as a form of social control. As have practically all human cultures that have ever existed. Is that evidence of some nebulous unconscious social control manipulation, or just of the very obvious desire for retribution in response to violating commonly held mores? Is there a "murder" culture, then? Have you never noticed that the "jokes" about prison rape are always flavored with a "serves you right" sentiment of satisfaction, and usually refer to pedophiles or rapists or murderers or other wastes of space getting their comeuppance?

The idea of rehabilition as a primary goal is extremely recent, and ironically present mostly in those unnatural, capitalism twisted "western" first world cultures.