Guess we just aren't going to talk about this

[Indy]

I've come a long way on guns in the last year, as I am about to become a gun owner, just went through basic training and soon will be taking the CCW class in Illinois (which blows BTW--16 hours! Cmon!).

A few points:

-Gun debates are typically cul-de-sacs because nobody gives an inch; everybody talks past each other
-The solution (well the best one possible) is somewhere in the middle as Prof says--but nobody wants to go to the middle
-I really, really don't think you will ever, ever get rid of handguns in this country. I just think it's impossible politically. So we need to move forward conceding that. Yeah, I can totally see how not having them would address the problem but let's be realistic here.
-That said, the biometric idea is some nice, unorthodox and creative thinking. If you can have it for your iPhone why not for a gun?

What's so nuts to me is that if you go to a gun range they are absolutely hardcore about safety and regulations. Impressively so. If you want a CCW permit you have to go through TRAINING, as everybody should if you're going to use a deadly weapon. Yet there are plenty of people who believe any fool should be able to have guns with no training whatsoever or else your rights are being trampled and this is America blah blah and not only that they should have any weapon with unlimited killing power or capacity. WTF?

Like I said, it's a mess when you try and argue it.

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[Leviathan]

[Divinity11]

My neighbor (and friend) is a former cop who has been a long-time supporter of gun rights. We had this very conversation a few months ago, and he said because of Newtown, he's changed his stance, at least on assault rifles. My take on it was that I could not believe our nation couldn't come to some kind of agreement, at least a symbolic agreement of some sort. And he's about as pig-headed as they come, so there is hope for rational, logical policy here.

Shooting an AK-47 is fun, but so would be owning a tank. Neither is a good idea in a civilized society.

I say we go back to muskets, as our Constitution intended. Think about it. By the time some pissed-off would-be assailant takes ten minutes to load the thing with powder and pellets, in which it may or may not work anyways, they may say the hell with it and calm down by then.

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[Leviathan]

Supreme Court will gut the second amendment in my lifetime. Mark my words.

[Leviathan]

Yea NABs idea is good, but it's almost certainly been gunned down several times in both houses.

[eynon81]

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[eynon81]