Guess who wants to come back?

[The Dharma Bum]

No, you misunderstand the point

americans fight and kill in other state militaries and return to the US all of the time without any of the sort of repercussions you think are necessary

Two Americans who were fighting with the IDF were recently killed in Gaza, for example. US military history is replete with similar examples.

But you want people to believe that IS is some sort of special case wherer they are inhuman monsters rather than people

it's discrimination, pure and simple

[The Dharma Bum]

also it's hard to say another state is an enemy in the absence of declared war

[The Comrade]

[The Dharma Bum]

[exploited]

[The Dharma Bum]

I want humanity to reach it's ultimate potential and am against anything I perceive to be an interference in that goal.

That's my value system, just so you know.

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

here's the run down

arguments for allowing return: intelligence windfall, public relations windfall, humanitarian windfall

arguments against: paranoiac and xenophobic imaginings of being infiltrated or attacked

[exploited]

Not at all. I've provided a number of reasons why I'd be opposed to them returning, and you've addressed none of them, instead talking about decisions other people have made that I don't even agree with.

All of this talk about declarations of war and our historical willingness to engage in violence is totally irrelevant. I am opposed to most instances of that violence, I believe mercenary work should be illegal, I do not support or even respect the social values of these fighters, and I do not believe that murder should go unpunished, whether that means locking up insurgents or Presidents.

So again, based upon this set of beliefs, why would I advocate that these men be allowed to return?

I would be willing to at least evaluate some of these men, and I do have sympathy for the younger ones. I would perhaps allow a few to return, based upon the value of the intelligence they can provide and their sincerity to deradicalize. But the vast majority should likely be denied entry or imprisoned, as they are nothing more than low-level thugs with zero redeeming qualities.