Internet as Infrastructure

[Aaron]

[John Galt]

i question the need for government to do this. is it lacking in some areas? certainly. is it lacking in most areas? no. in the end this is a local problem, and needs local solutions.

i think exploited really f**k this thread up and made it really easy for me to pick his whole argument apart. in the end he's trying to get everyone to buy into this idea that we should keep him employed.

internet is already treated as a public utility. as such it is given government created monopolies in order to "work" (i dissagree that such monopolies are necessary, but the govt disagrees). the only real competition comes from different ways of getting internet to the consumer. fiber, cable, cell, and dsl. that's basically it, and in any given area there probably isn't going to be two providing the same service with the major exception of cell. and what is that difference? cell phones are not locked to the land.

5G cell is 1-10 gig/sec. i think governments can help facilitate this, they can use eminent domain to help out companies, because in the end they want the people to have those Gs. problems with 5G include a spectrum shortage. we need to start killing off older tech. that's something government does need to be involved in. but providing the coverage itself? no.

the US has something like 40%+ 4G penetration at this point. western europe comes a close second at 7.5% penetration. and yet we're derided as being behind the times, lol. with 5G which we will roll out before everybody else and with great zeal we'll have 1-10Gig connections while being driven by our robot cars. f**k wires

[spacemonkey]

Having the internet will probably be required some day. You know, so you can be tracked etc. Mandatory HC was just the start of the mandatory must haves. All for your own good of course,lol.

[John Galt]

as more tech becomes integrated the internet will turn into a complete augmentary experience. even if not required for government purposes it will be required for living. seamlessly translating someone talking to you for example will make learning multiple languages meaningless, and thus without it you would be handicapped. i'm sure babel will come out of the rubble of that, but who's to say when that will be. but anyway, yes, we'll need faster connections in the future but i think they need to move away from cords

[exploited]

[John Galt]

you sound like a shrill for baby bells circa 2000 trying to get everyone to buy into the idea that we need to upgrade all the phone landlines in this country. oh and you don't want to pay for it, you want the taxpayer to pay for it, and say it's for their own good.

what numbers are you even talking about? i already posted the information about the availability of things up to 100Mbps, where at that point it starts dropping off but is available in almost all urban areas

[exploited]

[John Galt]

[exploited]

40% of the national average, and growing five times faster than the national rate, creating more STEM jobs than any other state. Coincidentally shortly after fiber was announced and constructed and continuing ever since. Besides, every idiot knows that IT isn't the only industry that benefits.

We need wires to transfer critical data securely, not to mention the hilarious idea of somehow building enough 5G towers to handle petabytes of data Of course you can use wireless off a wired connection as well, so there's that.

I'm talking about all wireless security, be it WiFi or cellular, which is f**k terrible and will never be anywhere as secure as a line buried in the ground.

[John Galt]

the engineering jobs are going to oil bro, which doesn't need gig download speeds. and further, remember, they have just lots of openings. ew went over this, remember? you had to look it like 15 times to realize that these symbols form letters and the letters words and the words convey meaning

http://www.telecompetitor.com/mobile-vs ... sal-ahead/ here's an article on why increasing competition from cellular will drive the thing you want from landlines. tmobile by the end of next year will have 150mbps in 23 of the 25 most populated cities in this country, for example. and that's just 4G we're not even talking about 5G which is your timeframe.

so we're all f**k happy then right, if we just keep doing what we're doing? well, mostly i suppose. government is cut out and there goes your paycheck. but f**k if i care, you don't even have a microphone