[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 129: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 130: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 129: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 130: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 129: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/prime_links.php on line 130: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4829: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4831: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4832: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4833: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
One Person, One Vote • Page 7 • General Discussion • Political Crossfire Forums

One Person, One Vote

The place for general political discussion.

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby IndependentProfessor » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:41 am

Good post, Ex.

However, let's take what he's done and see what the results would be. Results, BTW, that AREN'T quoted in that story (possibly because they undermine the very foundation upon which the story is based?).

I'll use Louisiana, because I'm most familiar with it. BTW, don't know if I mentioned this, but I did participate in several redistricting meetings with both legislative and DoJ people to talk about redistricting. Did you know that they (both groups) actually DO use algorithms to come up with basic shapes, then modify those shapes to reflect real-world people?

Here's the Olson LA map, along with the voter breakdown:

Image

And here is the current map:

Image

The Olson one sure looks better! But, how do the demographics break down?

Image

Uh oh. With the current map, there is at least 1 majority-minority district (the green one, which encompasses the metro-center of New Orleans, along with a band of minority voters going up the Mississippi river). However, under Olson, there is no such district. However, the purple district is really close to being 50/50. And, a lot of white people vote democrat, right? So, perhaps, when all the votes are tallied, this district would reliably go Democrat, so as to give some representation to minorities.

That purple area encompasses the parishes of Jefferson, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, and the Slidell-area of St. Tammany Parish. Reviewing the parish-by-parish (and precinct-by-precinct results for St. Tammany) results from the 2014 Congressional election, we get the following numbers, based upon LA Sec of State results.

Image

Yep, just as I feared. The Republican wins this race. So, we've now done away with the only district that even had a close-to-even racial breakdown, and given it over to the GOP. So, now we've got all older white men representing a state that has the 2nd highest black population in the country.

And, just so you know . . . when 2010 redistricting came along, several different maps were considered. The problem was that, post-Katrina, there was not enough of a population base in New Orleans to contain its own district. Therefore, additional districts had to be added. But, NO is surrounded by predominantly-white suburbs. So, both Republicans AND Democrats submitted proposals that were deemed by the DoJ to comply with the regulations, and both of which had similar boundaries for the majority-minority district.

Here's a quick primer on the process:
ftp://legisftp.legis.state.la.us/

The proposed maps:
http://house.louisiana.gov/H_Redistrict ... ngress.htm

And, a summary of the impact of redistricting upon minorities:
ftp://legisftp.legis.state.la.us/06%20S ... Impact.pdf

IndependentProfessor
Congressman
 
Posts: 703
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 40 times
Political Leaning: Rockefeller Republican

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby exploited » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:45 am

The current rules governing redistricting are outdated and silly, and premised on racism, despite being intended to fight that very thing. They treat black people like lepers who couldn't possibly have anything in common with their white neighbours. Get rid of that shit.
User avatar
exploited
Vice President
 
Posts: 23035
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:32 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 2562 times
Been thanked: 1837 times

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby IndependentProfessor » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:53 am

IndependentProfessor
Congressman
 
Posts: 703
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 40 times
Political Leaning: Rockefeller Republican

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby exploited » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:00 am

User avatar
exploited
Vice President
 
Posts: 23035
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:32 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 2562 times
Been thanked: 1837 times

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby IndependentProfessor » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:11 am

IndependentProfessor
Congressman
 
Posts: 703
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 40 times
Political Leaning: Rockefeller Republican

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby IndependentProfessor » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:13 am

Oh, and I don't think that people are moving to change their voting district. The segregation that is happening in the country is for other reasons. The lines are just drawn around them, wherever they happen to be.
IndependentProfessor
Congressman
 
Posts: 703
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 40 times
Political Leaning: Rockefeller Republican

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby exploited » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:30 am

I agree that segregation isn't caused by political districts, but it is certainly reinforced. Districts with a majority black population will receive less investment from the business community, they'll receive inadequate services, they'll deal with institutional racism, etc. This has the effect of lowering property values, and lowering educational/policing outcomes... which again decreases property values, and makes it harder for those born into these communities to make enough to leave these communities. It is a vicious cycle, and it can only be broken by integration.

I think that balanced districts that reflect the demographic reality of the larger political unit makes sense. The short-term outcome may very well disadvantage black voters. But the long-term outcome will not. Over the long-term, they'll receive more investment, receive better services, and educational/policing outcomes will improve. These things will decrease the level of dissonance between racial and class groups.
User avatar
exploited
Vice President
 
Posts: 23035
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:32 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 2562 times
Been thanked: 1837 times

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby IndependentProfessor » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:42 pm

Also, the more I think about independent committees to draw districts, the more I like it.

Although, it's gonna be tough to find those people. Pretty much anyone who is not a politician is going to be labeled (perhaps accurately) a "special interest group".

And the DoJ and legislative staffpeople (staffpersons?) have good formulas to get the heavy lifting done on drawing districts.
IndependentProfessor
Congressman
 
Posts: 703
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 18 times
Been thanked: 40 times
Political Leaning: Rockefeller Republican

Re: One Person, One Vote

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:06 pm

One person, One vote. Screw the rest of the side show circus fiasco. I have spoken.
The hardest part of doing nothing is knowing when your done.
spacemonkey
Governor
 
Posts: 5718
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:54 am
Location: cyberspace
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 73 times
Been thanked: 296 times

Previous

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 120 guests

cron