Obama Lied! We are in another war....

[Philly]

I just wanna reiterate something and sorry for beating a dead horse here, but I find this one particular thing astounding and didn't want how seriously absurd it is to get lost in the snark:

We've been able to observe for quite some time that when help oust someone we don't like in that region so someone else we prefer can be in charge, that someone-we-prefer will eventually become less tolerable than the previous bad guy we ousted. This is nothing new. But at least back then we could celebrate the ousting of our targeted bad guy and push that place to the back burner for a decade, give or take a few years, before things fester to the point that we have to address the new worse guy he helped into power.

In 2013, in Syria, Assad was the bad guy and the rebels were the ones we preferred over bad guy Assad. Fatigued from our long stays in Iraq and Afghanistan, we didn't go full force into this war, but we helped arm the rebels. Assad was not ousted but the rebels managed to become a more formidable force in the region. And many of those rebels are now a little group you might have heard of called ISIS. It took less than a year, and now ISIS is the bad guy already when the rebels were the good guys less than 12 months ago.

Interestingly enough, since Assad wasn't ousted, he's still hanging around in Syria and even though we were working to have him ousted/killed last year, he's now a strong supporter of any efforts we'd like to make in bombing/destroying ISIS.

Summararized: We help good guys fight against bad guy. Discover good guy is really really bad guy. Worse than other bad guy for sure. First bad guy is actually being pretty cool about it and is supportive of our goal to take out worse guys. All within a years time this happens.

In other words, our foreign policy now resembles a bad WWF wrestling plot arch.

[The Dharma Bum]

well a lot of the talent that makes ISIS possible was recently released from US custody, someone is to blame for that

it's a mistake to view these people as "wackodoo", they are pretty skilled at what they do, and they are getting us to go right where they want us.

leading us around by the nose, actually

[The Comrade]

dharma? praising ISIS?

[Libertarian602]

When you cut someone's head off, you're a wackado. When you persecute people in the name of religion, you're a wackjob. Just because you can slaughter people skillfully, doesn't make you any less insane.

[The Dharma Bum]

I'm stating facts that have to be recognized, i'll leave feeling the feelings to you

the US released terrorists and then covertly funded them to do our dirty work in syria

now Assad looks good

thats a f**k of incompetence

[The Dharma Bum]

[Libertarian602]

The last thing ISIS wanted was to be pounded from the Air by the US. They were delusional enough to think they could create a state. They also thought. that they would get a knee jerk reaction from the American public that would stop the US from bombing their fighters in Iraq if they cut the heads off a couple guy. The problem is that they got the wrong knee jerk reaction.

[Philly]

I still don't get what our endgame is here. We attack ISIS and defeat them. What's after that? Dudes from the Iraqi government just dipped when they saw ISIS coming. We get them on the phone and tell them it's cool to come back?

[The Dharma Bum]

pffft we walked right into being their public relations campaign partner for the region

islamism isn't really all that popular in muslim countries, but the more we destroy the more popular it gets.

americans think air strikes are the end all be all of military contact but the truth is they are not very effective against entrenched infantry. what they are effective at is creating collateral damage. sooner or later it will be boots on the ground, and that is the end game they want.

[exploited]