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Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:14 pm
by re\/o
I'll begin by my take on what happened and then explain why Trump winning was a good thing. In a nutshell:

Trump finished with roughly a million less votes than Romney and Clinton 6 million less than Obama. Trump lost some republican votes due to his antics and behavior (past and present), but won independent votes and Bernie or bust votes in the Rust Belt. Clinton lost more democrat votes than Trump. Some stood home, others voted for Trump (particularly in the Rust Belt).
Dems have traditionally been for labor and Reps for big business. In Bill Clinton's second term he abandoned Labor and jumped in bed with big business. Bush ignored labor and Obama ignored Labor. The people who got f**k by this the most live in the Rust Belt, end of story.

The best thing would have been a Sanders presidency, but those weren't our choices. With that said, Trump was by far the better option for the long-term future of America. Firstly, it shook up the establishment and will cause the GOP to change. Secondly, it will cause the DNC to change even more so. The DNC needs to go back to supporting labor to bring balance back to the force. And they need to listen to their supporters more─I think they will do both.

Trump isn't really evil in the way many of you might think. As a New Yorker I know Trump well. He's a lying, greedy, narcissistic, con-man. However, he doesn't believe half the shit that he said. Certainly not with the same passion as you would believe. He saw all the big rallies Sarah Palin was producing and began his run by pandering to the far-right to build a base. Trump in reality is a political moderate. He's evil in the sense that he will f**k over anyone to make a dollar; he's Gordon Gecko from Wall Street. The thing that worries me the most about him is he doesn't take criticism well and he's going to get a ton of it. Hopefully this long process along with the warnings he's surely being given will help him in this regard.

If Clinton would have won we would have received 4 more years of the same shit and real change─if it will ever come─would have been delayed that much longer, at the very least. Sanders being the age he is would be completely out of the picture and perhaps Biden too. Now, both will likely run in 4 years. The problem is things will likely get worse before they get better. Maybe Trump could do something positive with our trade situation and do some infrastructure rebuilding. The thing I am worrying about is more deregulation and tax cuts for the uber wealthy.

The primary miscalculation the Trump supporters have made is thinking that he is anti-establishment. It's important to recognize the distinction between anti-establishment and non-establishment. Trump is non-establishment in the sense he is a political outsider who hasn't been corrupted by corporate/special interests. However, if you think he's going to fight against the influence of corporate/special interest over our political and economic systems then you're mistaken. Sanders was the only true anti-establishment candidate. Trump mimicked frustrated working-class Americans and pointed his finger at corrupt politicians and a broken system and many people bought what he was selling. Many will be deeply disappointed.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:18 pm
by broken robot
Good analysis. Now we wait to see what latitude his cabinet members have, and whether there's anything like policy coherence.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:58 pm
by The Comrade
accelerationism is an abhorrent and failed philosophy and in 4 years i hope you've learned that lesson.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:01 pm
by broken robot
My God comrade. Yes it's terrible Clinton lost, but the contradiction was bound to explode at a certain point. This isn't even it. Quit Ostrich-ing.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:07 pm
by The Comrade
"trump will be so bad we'll get a true socialist in power" is the dumbest line of reasoning. accelerationism doesn't work. it has never worked. it won't work now. this isn't about being sour grapes it's about shitting on the idea that if we torture ourselves enough, better things will come. f**k MLMs.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:10 pm
by John Galt
and you call yourself a comrade

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:11 pm
by broken robot

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:13 pm
by broken robot

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:15 pm
by The Comrade
the thought of trump and his wife hanging from a bridge with a crowd of angry people around them brings a tear to my eye.

Re: Trump: A necessary evil

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:19 pm
by John Galt
the chinese party has been cracking down on historical nihilism of people such as the so-called "comrade" who have denied the inevitability of inglorious socialism