The Socialist Dream Crumbles in Venezuela

[Spider]

[Spider]

[The Dharma Bum]

[Spider]

You didn't though. You ignored the literal meaning of the question, and substituted something you yourself made up that you could answer without shooting yourself in the foot.

Remember all that social clique shit you pushed off onto me? And I responded that I was in fact saying something totally different...which you then ignored three times in a row?

Would it help if I broke the question down word by word?

[The Dharma Bum]

You can continue this ploy for as long as you deem necessary. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[JDHURF]

[Spider]

[Spider]

[JDHURF]

My discussion of the negativity of capitalism was not as part of an argument set to prove the negativity of capitalism. It was placed within the framework of a discussion about the multifaceted reality of human nature which runs the gamut from really good to really bad. It was human nature that I argued was not "one or the other" and the fact that you don't even know that I was discussing human nature in that instance is pretty definitive evidence that it is actually you who is simply scanning posts without taking the time to bother with the details and the facts.

As for human nature and psychology, we do not have to turn to someone's opinion. We have the science of psychology for enlightenment on these matters. The capitalist religious doctrine that human beings just suck is unscientific nonsense, plain and simple.

[Spider]

No, we have the social science of psychology to interpret. Its one of those fields with so few absolutes that it might as well be made of cotton candy. Completely effortless to make it suit whatever we like.

And, there is nothing capitalist about people sucking. They can suck and be anything they want to be.

This is what I mean about cutting through the platitudes. Once we come right down to it, the belief in these happy, cooperative, classless modes of civilization is based in the socialist religious doctrine that people don't suck, which is unscientific nonsense plain and simple. (See how easy that was?)

Thats the real issue here. We can both sit here and try to obfuscate and link to a bunch of other people spouting conflicting opinions about the arcane minutia of various speculative economic theories...but the bottom line is that in the end this all boils down to whether or not you think people suck, and at what level their suckiness allows them to coexist with idealistic economic models.

If people didn't suck, we'd all be mindless drones in a communist cornucopia, slurping from the teat of superabundance, and living only to better ourselves. Like on Star Trek, I guess.

But people do suck, and because of that, here we are. The world is what people allow it to be.