The Tea Party Backlash in the GOP

[Bauce]

Intentionally misspelling words to insult someone's intelligence is a legitimate argument?

[dontworrybehappy]

I don't know, ask Indy. I was simply replying to his tactic.

[Bauce]

I was asking Indy.

[dontworrybehappy]

Well then lets allow him to answer, shall we?

[Indy]

You can be sarcastic and still make an argument, and that's obviously sarcastic. It's also indicative of the intellectual level of the claim and those behind it.

For instance, countering any argument by simply screaming "You are a LIBERAL!" which in the eyes of some people like our friend here is an argument when in reality it's just transparent and brainless diversionary tactics.

Outside of that, you'll notice the total lack of arguments in this instance, just completely debunked claims repeated ad nauseum and even when they're destroyed, they're simply repeated again which is the real insult to everybody's intelligence if we're going to go there. Because somebody must think we're all morons to think we'll simply back down if they're simply repeated over and over again.

You'll find here as you spend more time that I give what I get (within the rules)--I'm more than willing to have a measured conversation with somebody with views contrary to mine and have done that repeatedly which is why most of us stay here, small group that we may be.

But really have zero patience at this point for bomb-throwers who show up and try and dupe us all repeating verbatim what rage merchants sell them; i.e. the tea party types. These people have destroyed the GOP and most sickeningly of all they don't realize that they are the problem. Even worse, when you show them clearly what they're saying isn't true, they simply choose to be blind because the real motivation here is to indulge their unending hatred of "the left," whoever the f*** that is at this point.

I would say dealing with somebody like that by misspelling a few words is pretty mild, especially considering what they've done to this country and almost did last week.

It's like your asking me to be a perfect gentleman to Reverend Phelps. Or take Sarah Palin seriously. What have they done to deserve such courtesy while abandoning it themselves?

[wormwood]

[wormwood]

[Bauce]

[Indy]

I hear what you're saying--now THERE is an argument, people--but a couple of points.

Fine, free market solution. Me personally? I don't give a toss if it's private, public or a mixture of the two. Whatever works. I've yet to hear a free (non-gov't) solution from them except stale, discredited ideas like insurance across state lines or my fave: HSAs. Oof. And while you're right that obstruction can be a form of governing (point taken), simply objecting to a solution (assuming it's that, and I'm not) because your ideology is so rigid that the gov't can't do anything, even if it works, is just being stupid. It's misplaced. It's "principle" over pragmatism: hey if this solution works and it's gov't, because I hate gov't I'm going to thwart this solution. That serves nobody/nothing, except indulging the zealotry of those who adopt it.

That said, you're giving these people way too much credit. As I've pointed out repeatedly, the individual mandate was a Republican idea that they created to avoid a single-payer system idea which at that time was the ultimate big gov't evil. They even pushed this is a perfect "free market" solution in line with their conservative beliefs.

Lo and behold when you-know-who does exactly that, all of a sudden they're all up in arms about this alleged assault on liberty. Wow. Just like they didn't say a word about the exploding debt/deficit unleashed by Bush but when Obama came along, NOW all of a sudden this is their biggest concern (BTW the deficit has been declining--bet you that 99% of TP people don't even know that).

There was an easy way to thwart Obamacare--have a much better idea and spend your time selling it to the public instead of all of it selling how evil Obamacare is allegedly. But there's the rub: they've been the party of simply tearing down everything with no alternative to replace it.

And that is not governing. But I hear your points.

[Indy]