Is the First World turning to Fascism?

[dontworrybehappy]

And while we have a violent society, it's not as you describe or for the reasons you describe.

So I'll assume you don't mean this country at all.

[The Dharma Bum]

Just so you understand a few things.

Government is how rich people exploit people like you. You completely misunderstand the situation in which you find yourself. It is a tool of the ruling class, used to keep you in your place. (working for peanuts)

You are right, you are working your ass off for someone else's benefit, just not it's not poor black people who are reaping the windfall, as you imagine the situation to be. It's corporations, who are enjoying record profits while you are blaming it all on people that are even worse off than you.

There are not enough jobs to support everyone, a small segment of the population produces everything society needs and more and that is only going to be compounded as technological innovation continues, so the "get a jerb" economic "philosophy" you advocate is never going to work.

[dontworrybehappy]

The gov't isn't keeping me from starting a business. They might ream me a new asshole once I do, but they're not stopping me. They're not holding me back from starting one. And nobody said it's just poor black people, but that is twice now that I've been accused of saying "lazy blacks" or "poor blacks" and I actually never used those words. Only you and Indy appear to be racist in such a way.

And it's not true that a small segment of society produces everything society needs. There are 300 million in America, roughly. Right now, roughly 100 million are kids, 100 million are out of work and 100 million are working (these are rough numbers, but still). The 100 million working are providing for themselves and their kids. So lets say that's not every kid, lets say half the kids are in working families so 50 million kids. 150 million are providing for the other 150 million. However, in order to do so, they have to steal money from the working 150 million. This is holding them back from buying more stuff, starting business to employ more people, etc etc.

So while you say that a small segment of society is providing for everyone, that's only through force and not for the good of everyone. If the gov't would back off and let people keep more of their money (i.e. invest, spend or save it, all of which create jobs) then it benefits society as a whole. I don't think 90 million people are lazy. I think that the gov't has taken from people who are the providers for so long that there isn't much more to give.

I mean look at Sean Hannity. He said he pays 50% in taxes and would supply his tax forms to prove it. However, Sean Hannity provides a lot of people jobs. While the left think he's double evil because he's rich AND he can't stand Obama, I look to people like Sean as job creators. People have no idea how much people like Hannity benefit society. The same with the evil corporate jet owners. Those corporate jets give A LOT of people good paying steady jobs. But since they are owned by rich people, well shit, they must be evil.

[Dylan]

50%? Bullshit. I don't even pay 50% and nobody gets more f**k on taxes than me.

[The Dharma Bum]

The conservative propaganda on taxes has always been hilarious. They'll tell you they pay so much in taxes they don't even take home a paycheck. They just work for charity.

[The Dharma Bum]

And the thing that is stopping people from starting a business is lack of capital, not the government. You will be lucky to be able to save enough to make it through your retirement, much less start a viable business before you retire.

You aren't getting what I'm saying. The government is the protective layer between the masses and the ruling class. The government only does what the ruling class (and no, not sean hannity) wants it to do.

It simply doesn't matter which party is in control of the country so the whole "conservative versus liberal" is a show to keep people like you from understanding what is being done to them while they participate in the capitalist mode of production. People like Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow are simply tools to trick people into thinking they have some type of input into the decisions being made about their lives.

[dontworrybehappy]

Last time I checked, I could vote who I wanted to into office. Or not vote at all, but in that case, I shouldn't complain.

[Indy]

[exploited]

[The Dharma Bum]