Pope Francis Takes Down "Conservatism"

[The Comrade]

i disagree

[JDHURF]

You two posted as I was editing my post. So you don't miss it:

You are conflating coercion with influence. Giving a lecture or speech with the hopes that people freely adopt similar positions as those advocated in the speech is an example of influence. Coercion would be forcing people to adopt positions through threats of physical violence or force. In any case, you initially claimed that Pope Francis was giving people orders which is different from either simple persuasive influence or coercion. I'm still waiting for the citation of the orders dictated.

[The Comrade]

citation? don't wait too long, hurf.

if you want to use euphemisms to describe the moral pronouncements of a priest, fine. i'm not going to though.

[JDHURF]

[The Comrade]

[eynon81]

[The Comrade]

yeah but that blue area only represents a quarter of the population, most of which being craddled in the north-east.

[Indy]

Still there's a lot more Catholics here than I thought there were!

[JDHURF]

[JDHURF]

In other news, it's quite right to highlight Francis' analysis of political economy which is to be greatly welcomed, but it should also be emphasized that as good as this is, on the other hand, Francis still upholds the Church's sexist opposition to the ordination of women (let's also not forget the backward position on abortion), defending the entrenched subordination of women within the Church's inglorious history. Not to mention the position on the LGBT population. It would be nice to see more progress here.

It's not all celebration, in other words.