Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

[Hyperion]

The best option for the child is to not have one parent force their decision on the other.

Comrade hit the nail into the stratosphere. If a man even implies that he doesn't want any children at this point in his life, he'd be chewed alive on this forum. "Should have thought about that before sex." Unless you're a woman. Then you're a victim of statistics.

[The Dharma Bum]

The opposite is true. If a male does't take responsibility for his children then he's rendered himself to be a disposable asset to society. If this thinking is followed to it's logical conclusion then once insemination has occurred the male no longer has any usefulness and can be discarded from participating in the new family unit he helped begin.

And since bachelor males who don't care for children but use up resources are basically useless or even harmful to society, except as cannon fodder, they are therefore disposable. Society doesn't exist so people can run around having fun all of the time.

[Hyperion]

Can't tell if serious or Mussolini.

[The Comrade]

[Spider]

Ok. Hyperion...all that stuff you just posted is moot for a very simple reason: Causality.

You are intentionally skipping over the initiation point of a chain of events in order to select a later link in that chain that allows you to defer responsibility.

It all starts with a penis being shoved up into a vagina. That simple. Everything that follows is a direct result of that decision, and that decision is entirely up to either partner. Barring rape, they can both simply choose not do it.

Anything more than this is obfuscation of a very, very, simple concept.

You don't get to conveniently throw that DECISION MADE FREE OF COERCION OR FORCE out of the chain of events and pretend that this all hinges instead on the altogether separate and distinct decision to have an abortion or not. It doesn't. The abortion decision is an entirely different decision that has to be made AFTER the initiation of all of this, and never would have come to be in the first place otherwise.

One parent isn't forcing children onto the other for the very simple reason that one parent is incapable of having children on their own, and all that matters is that both parents consented to engaging in a reproductive act with known consequences. And the whole bitching about women being in control of their own bodies is just biology. Don't like how sexual reproduction works? Take it up with Darwin. Its an immutable condition.

The abortion decision is another topic completely. It has no relevance here, as it doesn't come into play until after the decision that began this whole thing has already been made.

Its pretty much what I already posted on the last page, but you declined to comment on. Here's for second chances:

Men are accountable for the decision to shoot their DNA at a woman's eggs, and the subsequent results of that decision. It is not "someone else's decision." The decision to get an abortion or not is a totally different issue, and men have zero say in it, nor should they. They are 100% responsible for that earlier decision to spray DNA in the direction of a woman's cervix, however, and the consequences of that. Its not, "Oh. You are magically pregnant. How did that happen? Well, now there are decisions to be made." At that point the decision the man had total control over is already made and in the past, else they wouldn't be discussing it to begin with.

[Spider]

And Em is right. The fact that I'm having to sit here and spell this out to what I assume is an adult legitimizes the hell out of some very central elements of feminism.

[The Comrade]

what's funny is that we're placing almost all the responsibility of having a child on the male.


while we're on the subject of patriarchy....

[The Dharma Bum]

How is requiring the male to carry their half of the burden in any way "placing almost all of the responsibility of having a child on the male"?

A life of consequence free sex is just not happening. Things just don't work that way. Even if there are no children there are always social consequences, hurt feelings etc. For those things nothing can be done, but when a kid is the result of sex that kid needs to be taken care of by the people who made it.

[The Comrade]

the idea that a child needs a mommy and a daddy in its life is straight out of the 1950s.

as for it being half the males burden...lol. neither has a choice when it comes to getting accidentally pregnant, but a woman has the choice to keep the child or get rid of it but the only choice the male has is if he wants to endure voluntary or involuntary economic hardship.

because he's a man. because that's what men do . just like they don't have feelings and they die for other people with no regard for their life.

and, welcome to the concept of the disposable male. enjoy your double standards.

[The Dharma Bum]

No, the idea is it is a mess you made, now YOU take care of it. Same as if you take a shit in the woods when your camping you are supposed to bury it. If you don't pull your own weight you drag the rest of us down. It's not a matter of whether or not you get to choose an abortion or not because that decision is not yours to make.