Non's days of do-goodery may be drawing to a close...

[Spider]

Ya, but they probably collapsed on their own. Lacked the technologies needed for sustained urbanization. (And if you read about Cahokia a little, you find that "urban" in the European sense isn't terribly applicable. There are pretty serious keystone technologies that allow people to live at such densities without snuffing themselves out that they simply didn't have access to. We went over this last time you brought it up.) No reason to think it was European disease that did for them. The population levels the Europeans found, in addition to the centuries it took for the Mesoamericans to develop such complex societies...no way the population was wiped out that early. The Spanish would have been pretty bored to find everything cut off at the knees centuries earlier.

The theorizing above is interesting, but its theorizing regardless. Occam's Razor and all that jazz. Presenting it as some sort of accepted truth is pretty far out. Its just a neat set of ideas.

[The Comrade]

there are like five current books on my shelf right now that back up everything dharma has suggested.

[John Galt]

What are the name of these five books?

Again, rats couldn't transmit smallpox, influenza, or measles, which were the largest killers. If evidence of humans is there then they could transmit but while the Vikings did come to Vinland im not so sure about them in minnesota ... Contact beyond Vinland would have been sparse

Also the pop of that 'city' is estimated between 4k and 40k which are quite different numbers. Just accepting the high end and declaring it fact with no supporting evidence... Yeah I'll +1 what spider said

[The Comrade]

well i was going to give them to you but if you're just going to agree with spider automatically i wont waste my time

[The Dharma Bum]

[John Galt]

[The Dharma Bum]

either way denial of the anthropogenic basis of recent climate alteration is foolishness and that is the ultimate point here. You basically have to deny the findings of all scientific disciplines to make the logic behind it seem valid.

[John Galt]

[The Dharma Bum]

lol more eurocentric negationism

[John Galt]