194-1 and Israel vows revenge

[The Dharma Bum]

derp Do you mean the invasion of Germany?

Dude, invoking the cold war in regards to the Palestinian issue is useless because that shit was over almost 40 years ago.

Meanwhile, we're still paying both sides to keep doing what they are doing.

[The dane]

[The Dharma Bum]

also Bill clearly didn't watch the video, which explains that the USSR while extremely repressive to it's own citizens was never any sort of external threat to the west. (thus showing your claim that they are mixed up in the Palestinian issue as invalid).

On the other hand, western society is extremely open domestically speaking, but look at what western nations do: Britain in India, Belgium in the Congo, or the US in Guatemala, in every case acts of genocide in the name of commercial exploitation were committed against inconvenient populations who didn't have the power to resist.

Westerners just pretend like it never happened or it doesn't matter but it is the same type of crime we condemn others for. We accused the USSR of trying to conquer the world, but we actually did it, or rather are in the midst of the process of doing it.

[Mr.Bill]

The Russians invaded Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Hungry.. They were most certainly a threat to Western Europe.. The armed Vietnam, Korea, the Arabs which led to millions of deaths and countless wars.. You can ignore Russia's crimes, and Khrushchev's threats then.. And you can ignore the Arabs threats against Israel and their crimes now.. I don't care anymore, this thread isn't the place for this discussion.. I'm just saying you constantly blaming everything since the beginning of time on the West is old and boring. It's revisionist history to the umpteenth level..

And BTW don't ever post a f'ing video or article that even mentions the name Chomsky in it.. He's not worth 5 secs.. I mean seriously, you're lost if you think posting that lunatics opinions are going to win you an argument..

[John Galt]

inflicting billions of dollars in economic damage is also something to be concerned about. if sverige got all upity and started sending missiles across the sound and the great state of denmark could use its anti-missile shield to take them all out at the cost of 2 billion dollars, do you let bygones be bygones and not respond? or do you crush the swedish infidels. oh sweden converted to norse or something in this example.

for any country the life of one of its citizens is worth all the other lives of the non-citizens. it has to be, or the government is not doing its duty. this isn't to say other people are not important -- if you just went and tried to wipe out a race of people, for example, the rest of the world would get very angry and punish you for generations, so long that your children punish themselves over it. but your first duty is to your own citizens. and on top of that, their money matters more than the blood of others. yes, again, it has to. your country is the most important in the world to your own government.

so keeping a death tally score is silly. hamas has inflicted a lot of damage on isreal. hundreds of the rockets have hit something, whether it be industrial complexes or farmland. and while a small percentage were travelling towards cities and needed interception, that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do. this shit adds up. (and to be fair some old lady heard the air siren and died of a heart attack -- she was literally terrorized to death by the palestinians, so the count is two dead isrealis.)

it is isreal's duty as a state to protect its own people. it is merely defending itself: hamas is the one that started firing rockets. yesterday, isreal agreed to the ceasefire and ceased fire for most of the day, even has hamas sent another 50 rockets towards isreal (since, to hamas, ceasefire == "surrender"). finally, after an isreali died they responded. now there is talk of escalation, and i don't blame them

[The dane]

[John Galt]

what country puts the citizens of other countries above their own? that kind of shit is revolution worthy

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[eynon81]

[eynon81]