The World Is Doomed By Western Insouciance

[The Comrade]

you mean the internal power struggle that was ongoing from the literal day indonesia became independent? and how sukarno lost control of one of his biggest group of allies after they kidnapped and murdered six high ranking military personnel? and how suharto then became the dominant power in indonesia with the support of the majority of important factions?
and how because of this, lost all support in the indonesian assembly, who then stripped him of his presidency? and to this day there is serious support for the idea that sukarno ordered the kidnapping and execution of those military personnel by a communist paramilitary force?

you mean that "american" coup? get the f**k out of here dharma. there's no doubt the US had a vested interest in sukarno not being president. but to claim the events that lead to his rise to power and the subsequent actions he took against communists, real or imagined, were the result of the CIA is nothing short of delusional.

and FYI sukarno was put under house arrest and died of kidney failure. he wasn't "liquidated" by the CIA or massacred like you're attempting to imply with that five sentence snippit.

[spacemonkey]

I always find it amusing when we try to blame others for what we do. Everyone always has the last call on what he/she does, be it good or bad.

[Dante]

Misusing the term "blowback" in the way the OP does is stunning to observe. I see it often when discussing al Qaeda and 9/11.

Radical Islam and the extremist dogma and actions of the radicals is not -- not the unwanted or unforseen result, effect, or repercussion of backing of the mujahadeen. .. I would say it is wrong to even argue it's the law of unintended consequences.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osam ... ontroversy

[Saz]

[Philly]

OP is used on many forums.

[Saz]

[Dante]

Funny, attacking Wikipedia while refuting nothing in its link? Funny and sadly, par for the course on some forums

[Dante]

A hijacking focused on the use of the term OP is tantamount to shooting blanks.

nuf said (used on many forums too)

[Dante]

While we're attacking.g sources: Paul Craig Roberts and Reaganomics? LOL (also widely used on many forums)

[The Dharma Bum]