Guess who wants to come back?

[The Dharma Bum]

I'm not opposed to valid trials where there is evidence for specific crimes, that's you disingenuously moving the goal posts again when confronted with reason

btw the the UK military has killed more iraqis than ISIS has too, so there is no moral superiority to be had there.

[Saz]

[Homer]

[The Dharma Bum]

there's no real difference between blowing someone to smithereens and cutting their head off. the relevant metric is numbers of dead

a metric in which we are unequalled

how come being "good" is killing way more innocent people than being "evil" is?

[Homer]

[The Dharma Bum]

I believe ISIS has killed about 5000 people in Iraq, while the collateral damage from US bombing is in the hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths

US sanctions in the run up to the wars and the wars themselves have lead to the death of 4% of the Iraqi population, estimated at around 450,000 innocent lives lost
http://www.juancole.com/2013/10/america ... tions.html

the answer to who is more immoral is obvious, we are by a long shot.

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

is it ethically acceptable to you to kill 90 innocent people to stop one pedophile?

that's what you should ask yourself

[exploited]

I think comparing ISIS and the US is a bit difficult. I mean one is a nation of 300,000,000 people, another is a small group of about 30,000 fighters.

That said, yeah, alot of what the US does can be considered as immoral as what ISIS does.

Of course, the flipside to that is that alot of what the US does is completely f**k awesome. Do you have any idea how many lives that Americans have saved over the years? How many millions or billions of people have benefited from the extreme generosity of the US government and it's people?

When you are trying to compare groups of people, you have to compare everything they do, not just the bad stuff.

[The Dharma Bum]

how come being "good" is killing way more innocent people than being "evil" is?