Obama Lied! We are in another war....

[The Comrade]

[a777pilot]

You are correct. I was way too vague. II'm just too tired now. I will add details tomorrow. Sorry, but I'm old.

[Indy]

[exploited]

[Indy]

Really? I'd like to hear some solutions regarding ISIS and how we should deal with it, rather than it being hijacked for yet another rant about Dems/Libs/Obama for the 1000th time.

What did Obama lie about again?

[Spider]

Obama did say that US ground forces weren't on the table.

Color me shocked if that winds up having been true.

And ya, Obama owns this as much as Bush...and as much as Reagan...and probably as much as the next several presidents as well. There's no end to this. After decades its become status quo.

[Indy]

IIRC Clinton did not have us in a war in the middle east.

He went into Bosnia. It worked. There was a plan. It was executed. We got out. Didn't lose one guy. He listened to his generals instead of his BFF incompetent SecDef who would generals who didn't go along with his fantasy "lighter, faster" force.

We wouldn't be in this spot today had Cheney not made the utterly disastrous decision to invade Iraq and destabilize the region. Sure, Obama messed up when he walked away from Iraq politically after taking office, but again: it wouldn't have been unstable if we hadn't broken it. You can blame him for not cleaning up somebody else's mess, but don't forget: it's somebody else's mess.

[Spider]

Dude, its been unstable all along. Any "stability" was an illusion created by propping up governments capable of crushing dissent. Such as Saddam, the house of Saud, etc. The instability is the default condition. The bandaid has fallen off.

Its no so much the individual actions during a presidency, but the overall cumulative effect of the continuing policy is on shoulders all around. Literally decades of intervention and manipulation in the middle east. It doesn't seem to be changing much. Biggest difference now is that they tend to get killed more by our robots than by ourselves. Dealing with crazies in the middle east was an expensive problem in terms of human resources, so they've found ways to automate it.

I don't think ISIS can be blamed on all of this so much, however, as these nutjob fundamentalists do what they do regardless of what anyone else does or thinks. They really do have their own blasted hellscape of a psychology to draw from. Its not about killing westerners, its about killing everyone who isn't them. Religious fundies have been dancing the same dance through all of history.

[eynon81]

[Spider]