The Communist Takeover Of America

[exploited]

This thread needs to just end. Its increasingly pointless.

[Medius]

[The Dharma Bum]

[Medius]

[The Dharma Bum]

fair is making sure basic needs are met before we start doling out privileges

[The Comrade]

[The Comrade]

[exploited]

Or... rather than talk past each other about minor sub-arguments that don't add up to anything coherent... How about we try to come to some sort of understanding:

1. No ideology can be implemented in it's totality without substantial problems arising. This is due to the diversity of human behavior, which does not lend itself to any one ideology.

2. Neither communism nor capitalism is inherently flawed because "human nature." If you can't accept that, at the very least we should all agree that the "human nature" concept is too vague to work with - Occam's it out. Its a never-ending rabbit hole in terms of setting or discussing policy, and isn't provable one way or another.

3. The best system will be "mixed," adjusted to local context, democratic and incorporate all of the existing human rights, plus a few others. I personally think access to clean water, food and shelter ought to be considered a basic human right, legally speaking. What are your thoughts on this? Now how about for healthcare or education? Finally, and most importantly, do you think people have some right to the profit of the earth, or at the bare minimum those profits derived from the use of nonrenewable natural resources?

I'm betting if we can avoid the hyperbole for awhile, we'd end up agreeing more than not.

[The Comrade]

if i had my way you'd be purged for that post

[The Dharma Bum]

if basic needs are seen as a right and are met for everyone, then there is no wage slavery. If there is no wage slavery one social class cannot elevate itself above another.

do this and private property falls by the wayside.

I believe this is the way forward. It will evolve naturally, as we see is happening. No revolution by violence is necessary to implement social change. That's what social networking is for.