Dear god, I can't believe this has gone on so long.
Supporting the KKK is wrong. Banning the KKK from existing is more wrong.
The end.
I Sell Dead Babies
Re: I Sell Dead Babies
by wormwood » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:04 pm
Spider and phos:
Making a moral choice under coercion isn't moral on the part of the person making the choice, but may force everyone to choose the moral choice. If I tie you down and don't let you cheat on your wife when you wanted to while drunk one night, you did not get to choose the moral choice, but the moral choice was enforced anyway, just not due to your agency. So it is possible for the moral option to be pre chosen for you in a coercive situation.
To put it another way, in a hypothetical situation where only 2 outcomes, A and B, are possible and most of society agrees A is moral and B is immoral, society may choose to ban choice B. The people abiding by A are doing the generally agreed upon moral thing, though they are not necessarily moral themselves as they had no real choice. It is a moral gain for the society but not the individual necessarily.
Sorry if this is more confusing, it just seems like you guys are talking about 2 different things.
Making a moral choice under coercion isn't moral on the part of the person making the choice, but may force everyone to choose the moral choice. If I tie you down and don't let you cheat on your wife when you wanted to while drunk one night, you did not get to choose the moral choice, but the moral choice was enforced anyway, just not due to your agency. So it is possible for the moral option to be pre chosen for you in a coercive situation.
To put it another way, in a hypothetical situation where only 2 outcomes, A and B, are possible and most of society agrees A is moral and B is immoral, society may choose to ban choice B. The people abiding by A are doing the generally agreed upon moral thing, though they are not necessarily moral themselves as they had no real choice. It is a moral gain for the society but not the individual necessarily.
Sorry if this is more confusing, it just seems like you guys are talking about 2 different things.
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Re: I Sell Dead Babies
by The dane » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:49 am
I saw this story on Foxnews yesterday, and instantly knew it was pure BS from the headline alone. How could anyone believe this ?
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Re: I Sell Dead Babies
by eynon81 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:42 am
We can skip the analogies btw...societies that took a more intrusive attitude towards these kinds of issues (contraception, abortion, exposing new-borns, etc) one way or another tend to reap a much darker whirl-wind than those that take a more liberal attitude towards them.
even Puritanical England balked at hanging teen-age girls for killing their un (or recently) born babies:
I think the moral argument starts to shift however when we deal with issues like the public funding of abortions....
even Puritanical England balked at hanging teen-age girls for killing their un (or recently) born babies:
I think the moral argument starts to shift however when we deal with issues like the public funding of abortions....
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