...check your privilege.
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...check your privilege.
by Ben Huh » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:03 pm
..."if the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of a divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit."
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Re: ...check your privilege.
by Stratego » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:24 pm
2% is potentially a lot of money especially when you're talking about back-end post production compensations. All the male actors get 9% while the female get 7%.
Sigmund Freud defined four parts of a psyche; the id, the ego, the superego and the stratego. The Stratego being the highest form of morality and scientific thinking.
If guns are not outlawed, the in-laws will have guns.
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Re: ...check your privilege.
by Medius » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:25 pm
You need to break the problem into two categories.
1.) Situations where employers are knowingly and purposefully paying women less than men in equivalent positions.
2.) Income disparity in positions whose pay is heavily based on negotiation.
The first is just plain bad business practice and discrimination.
The second can be further broken down. It can be an educational problem on how to properly assess and negotiate one's own worth. It can be a hiring problem, where companies fail to see that worth. It can be an ethical problem where women may just ask for less because they don't see the value in having more.
The issue of undervaluing oneself can't really be addressed in the workplace. Companies can ensure ranges to keep some close proximity, but if someone comes in asking for the minimum, even if they are the most qualified candidate, it is unlikely that the offer is going to come in significantly higher than the asking salary. Maybe a bit of a boost to ensure speedy acceptance in a highly competitive field.
The issue of companies failing to see worth it a tougher nut to crack. Honestly, it is going to take time. Some industries have moved on from the idea that women aren't as fully capable of men and some have not. Most of these though will fall into a clear disparity as they are centered around physical labor and don't have much room for negotiation.
The ethical issue is just one that has to be put in front of the public. Much as Lawrence tried to do, and be judged accordingly as I think Ben did pretty accurately. Honestly, the best suggestion at such high salaries is just to keep your mouth shut about it if there isn't a clear issue of discrimination. And in when there is, I highly suggest that one give as much surplus as possible to a group fighting for those not in the "insane" wage bracket if you expect to get any sympathy.
1.) Situations where employers are knowingly and purposefully paying women less than men in equivalent positions.
2.) Income disparity in positions whose pay is heavily based on negotiation.
The first is just plain bad business practice and discrimination.
The second can be further broken down. It can be an educational problem on how to properly assess and negotiate one's own worth. It can be a hiring problem, where companies fail to see that worth. It can be an ethical problem where women may just ask for less because they don't see the value in having more.
The issue of undervaluing oneself can't really be addressed in the workplace. Companies can ensure ranges to keep some close proximity, but if someone comes in asking for the minimum, even if they are the most qualified candidate, it is unlikely that the offer is going to come in significantly higher than the asking salary. Maybe a bit of a boost to ensure speedy acceptance in a highly competitive field.
The issue of companies failing to see worth it a tougher nut to crack. Honestly, it is going to take time. Some industries have moved on from the idea that women aren't as fully capable of men and some have not. Most of these though will fall into a clear disparity as they are centered around physical labor and don't have much room for negotiation.
The ethical issue is just one that has to be put in front of the public. Much as Lawrence tried to do, and be judged accordingly as I think Ben did pretty accurately. Honestly, the best suggestion at such high salaries is just to keep your mouth shut about it if there isn't a clear issue of discrimination. And in when there is, I highly suggest that one give as much surplus as possible to a group fighting for those not in the "insane" wage bracket if you expect to get any sympathy.
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Re: ...check your privilege.
by John Galt » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:31 pm
Americans learn only from catastrophe and not from experience. -- Theodore Roosevelt
My life has become a single, ongoing revelation that I haven’t been cynical enough.
My life has become a single, ongoing revelation that I haven’t been cynical enough.
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Re: ...check your privilege.
by Stratego » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:43 pm
Sigmund Freud defined four parts of a psyche; the id, the ego, the superego and the stratego. The Stratego being the highest form of morality and scientific thinking.
If guns are not outlawed, the in-laws will have guns.
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Re: ...check your privilege.
by eynon81 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:52 pm
I think it's an issue largely pushed by the trial lawyers.
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