100+ people killed in French terror attacks.

[The Comrade]

i guess not?

[Kachar]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah the French hit back! That's how ya do it. No long term strategy , just hit back!!! Straegey later. Someone punches me in the face, I punch back twice as much. Gooooooo France!!!!!!!!!! HIT EM AGAIN!!!!

[Spider]

10 planes and 20 bombs. Out of thousands dropped over this whole mess already to no effect.

Makes them feel better, at least.

[Kachar]

[Spider]

Payback how? The French are responding exactly as expected. Making the rumble smaller in Raqqa doesn't hurt ISIS. Any people or materials that are valuable are in a bunker somewhere eating hot pockets and playing Fallout 4.

I'm more interested in France playing some sort of role in a more meaningful action. Right now it looks like their going to do what we've already been doing, but more loudly.

[Indy]

[John Galt]

well a few hours before the attacks obama called ISIS "contained"

and while there are people that want to continuously point to other victims of tragedy and try to guilt us into recognizing them, you should realize when you do this you are actually lessening the value and impact of the other tragedy, the one you are directing attention from.

that area of the world has been warring each other over for recorded history. when some tragedy happens there, it's expected. it WAS covered in news, you can find it everywhere (go to google, search news, with a custom date range for Nov 12, and look for "beruit bombing", and find several thousand articles). now, such a thing in lebanon itself isn't as common (today) but it's still in the general area where they fight over scraps of desert, generation after generation. what it didn't get was wall-to-wall coverage because it's not shocking, and something shocking and horrifying happened in the western world. i'm tired of hearing about people like the blacklivesmatter f**k complaining that paris tragedy is taking away from them (since we all know all frenchmen are white; not like france had a huge colonial empire in africa or anything).

the paris attacks hit home because they are horrible and happened to westerners like us, in a setting that we might ourselves find ourselves in: at a restaurant, at a show, at a game. they were brutal and terrible. yeah, lots of times, bad things happen to other people. so what? we are groupish animals who care about our own groups. we feel more empathy for people who share our values, and france shares a lot of our values, way more than some arabs, that's clear enough. lebanon is closer than many muslim counties, because it's a third chrisitan, but it's still far away and far removed.

in fact, i would say we shouldn't be so open as to feel for people who are so far removed from our group. part of rooting for the packers is about despising the bears and the vikings. yeah, i might feel empathy for a player of the game on those teams who gets hurt if i'm watching the game, but i really don't care about those teams themselves, i don't follow them outside of knowing basic information like their record, and hope they lose

[Indy]

The point was that, gee, I dunno, maybe the hysteria and xenophobia being pimped relentlessly and in screeching fashion by the FN--maybe it's not quite accurate? And here's what it does do: in inspires people to take baseball bats to the first Muslim they see--even if it's not a Muslim as we saw after 9/11.

Which of course is exactly what OBL wanted and I'm sure ISIS completely wants. OBL wins, again.

As I said before, the tragedy of all this more and more is becoming the response than the attacks themselves, because OBL just keeps winning.

[spacemonkey]

[spacemonkey]

The lesson here is in certain parts of the world, its best to just let the tyrants alone. Apparently freedom and democracy is not for everyone. In parts of the world, the people are just rattlesnakes from the dark ages.