Some more Hillary Hate

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[The Comrade]

damn right it's a sure thing. if this was 30 years ago you'd be criticizing jimmy carter for his "interventionist" rescue attempt and praising reagan for iran-contra and the nuances of american diplomacy.


so what is your plan for syria, oliver north?

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[The Comrade]

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[The Comrade]

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Constant intervention is a guarantee now, no matter who takes over Syria. Believing otherwise is totally delusional. Even if Obama had somehow avoided the mistakes we saw in Iraq - a rather big if - you'd still be left with a state with large numbers of rebel groups, both Kurdish and Islamist, that would refuse to accept the authority of the new government. The only way this gets settled is if one group gets power and puts the rest to the sword - an impossibility under the FSA, and even if it were possible, it would be no more humane than working with Assad.

All of this suggests unequivocally that the best option is to work with Assad. He has the vast bulk of the population in his territory, he has the ability and willingness to be brutal enough, and other than maybe ISIS, he has the largest united block of influence in the country.

The fact that you really do think another regime-change mission would turn out better than the other alternatives, especially given the role of our past mission in this conflict... It really is frightening. Learn to learn bro.

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[Philly]

A Canadian spice farmer and a basement dwelling hermit whose idea of an exotic experience is making eye contact with a female cashier while buying Mountain Dew debate world affairs.

Just kidding. This is at least on topic. I look forward to the rest of the debate.

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You've gone completely off the handle. First you suggest it was my do-nothing attitude that led to this mess, then within a post, agree that the FSA won't be more humane, but that I'm wrong for wanting to support Assad because he's a war criminal.

For one, which is it? Do I support doing nothing, or do I support Assad? Pick a fallacy and stick with it.

As for war crimes, big f**k deal, Comrade. Almost every sitting President of the last two decades has killed more civilians than Assad could ever dream of. Every faction in the Civil War has and will commit atrocities in proportion to the power they hold. Time for you to grow up and realize that there are no good guys here... There is only the cold logic of minimizing casualties, and an American-backed FSA coup is one of the worst conceivable ways of doing that. "The rebuilding would have already started." lol what the f**k. The US dumped billions into Iraq, over a decade, and its military still can't perform. Further, why the f**k are you talking about Iran in 1979 when you want the American government to literally finance a revolution led by groups who are overwhelmingly Islamist?

Best option was to not get involved militarily. Second best was to back Assad. It is clear you just can't admit to being wrong.