Let's talk about those e-mails.

[John Galt]

[Philly]

This is unpleasant, but the reason Clinton got so fewer votes in 2016 than 2008 and the reason Trump has so many more is that without an Obama-Clinton matchup, all the racists who voted for Clinton in 08 trying to stop Obama are now voting in the Republican primary instead.

[ToddStarnes]

Yeah turnout for Dems was a lot lower in CA generally.

[Philly]

Just thinking about it - combining her 2008 and 2016 primary runs, Clinton has, in one race or the other, gotten support from pretty much every major faction of the Democratic coalition. In 2008, she won working class whites, women, LGBT, labor and just plain old racists (yes, in placed like Alabama and West Virginia, racist Democrats are a significant part of the coalition). Then this time, she added in the previously elusive black vote, while winning women, LGBT, and much of labor again. There's one glaring omission here though: youngs. Whether it was a smooth young brother from the Chi talking about hope and change or a cranky 74 year old Jew from Vermont shouting about the New Deal and campaign finance reform, there's always someone who youngs find FAR more appealing an option than Clinton. Why is that? It's hard to believe that millennials are more sexist than boomers and Xers, besides which, among youngs, even women prefer Sanders to Clinton by big margins. Don't give me the "they don't even vote" shit. Some of them do, and they have spoken with consensus, that youngs don't like Clinton, and it goes beyond Obama's cool black guy appeal.

This is just a question to ponder and discuss by the way. I'm not suggesting that Trump will do better with the youngs.

[The Comrade]

young people are more prone to populism on the left. generally they're people who have never voted before and don't understand the process or the work that has to go into changing things, so they get swept up in a wave of hope and change.

this isn't unique to clinton either. mcgovern is a good example.

[Saz]

No, young people have just been screwed the hardest by both parties and are justifiably ready to roll the dice and not just continue on with more of the same. You live in your moms basement and yet are happy to vote for 4 more years of the same. Wake the f**k up

[The Comrade]

[Saz]

[The Comrade]

[McGovern voter]

[exploited]

What an interesting comparison.

McGovern got wrecked in the Presidential campaign largely because of Eagleton. But not only that: also because Nixon waged a dirty tricks campaign against him, and because various racist Democrats sided with Nixon, selling out their party. Not to mention he faced the ire of Mayor Daley, one of the most viciously corrupt hacks in Democrat history.

The more Comrade talks, the clearer it is that he knows jack shit about politics. His idea of pursuing an agenda is literally not pursuing an agenda. Truth is, he is no different than your average partisan hack.