I wasn't going to vote

[dontworrybehappy]

No need to. Once you are caught using lies to back up other lies, I don't play games with those people. They can rub their own egos, or have the gov't rub it for them. I like to use facts, something liberals apparently like to stray away from. You were caught making up shit, and trying to pass it off as truth. You can't just say "Oh, well ok, nevermind, but can you address everything else I said?"

Uh no, you lied. Goodbye, liar.

[exploited]

That is interesting, because you haven't presented a single fact, other then to disprove an argument that has absolutely no bearing on the actual debate, which is whether or not universal health care is more effective than private health care. Whether 45,000 people die every year due to lack of health insurance is irrelevant; I already conceded the point. Like I said, you win dude. Congratulations, you successfully rebutted a single point.

I find it amusing as hell that I can provide 14 separate references that prove that UHC is cheaper and as or more effective than private health care, and then be accused of not dealing in facts.

[exploited]

It's just his shtick, exploited. Anyone who dares to disagree with dontworry on anything is labeled a lying partisan hack and dismissed, this saving him the need to back up anything he claims.

[exploited]

I see. Well, that clears things up.

I guess simply saying things is enough.

"This is a scientifically valid study that demonstrates that universal health care is drastically cheaper than private health care."

Response: "CANADA IS A PUS*Y!"

"The World Health Organization consistently ranks the United States below most other industrialized nations, all of whom have universal health care."

Response: "THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD CANT AFFORD IT, DUH."

I guess I was expecting more from a self-professed libertarian.

[John Galt]

[exploited]

[John Galt]

There is no right to health care. it benefits the group for them to die if they are just a drain.

Human beings care about groups of people they are connected with. this is why i don't give a shit about canada really. i was just there the other day, illegally, stealing your fish and pissing on your soil, because i don't give a shit.

i do care about 'merica, cuz it's my team. but that caring only goes so far. you need to get down to the personal level, people i know, before i start caring about your physical well being. then i for sure care. then i will end up giving you stuff to keep you around longer because you are of value to me personally. this is because i'm a human being and i evolved to think this way. we evolved to care about the people on your team -- even to the point of wishing harm on people on other teams. your team is more important.

[The Comrade]

sounds like exploited just evolved a little bit more than galt.

[John Galt]

[The Comrade]

oh it makes perfect sense. don't worry galt, you probably won't die off do to your obsolescence