I wasn't going to vote

[OGPhilly]

Galt is sort of right, in theory, but having universal healthcare is better public policy and creates a better society so it's worth doing even if you don't care about the people who are getting the healthcare.

[exploited]

[John Galt]

[The Comrade]

it's funny when you use physical traits to justify your eugenics.

protip: we didn't get where we are by physical prowess.

[exploited]

[Boris Johnson]

Yeah, you see the whole problem with social darwinism is,

1) Does nothing to explain the masses of evidence of mutual cooperation, especially in social animals. which we are. The 'people i know' argument only goes so far. We don't just murder strangers who share the same culture, or even similar cultures as us.
2) Its nihilistic, and thus lacks any sort of justification. Suggesting 'well its how nature what is' is quite frankly wrong, as there is a banally large instance of cases that run against it. Gorillas nursing sick kittens is a personal fave. But once an organism seems to get to a certain level of intelligence it displays moral phenomenon that can't simply be reduced to 'I have similar genes to you' or 'I know you from before'. Yes its perhaps slightly rarer than other phenomenon like people ignoring each other on the tube, but if your going to take the naturalism route in your ethics, you don't get to ignore any phenomenon in your explanation.


Frankly, it sounds more like a rationalisation for something that made you super jaded than some well thought out ethical theory.

[exploited]

Nice job killing the thread Boris. I expected more from the Lord Protector.

[Boris Johnson]

[The Tooth]

Guys, guys, guys. It's pretty clear here that the arguments against universal health care are not based on results. UHC is bad even if it does prevent epidemics. UHC is bad even if a healthier population leads to more prosperity. UHC is bad because it's not right wing enough. Facts will not change minds here, because opposition to UHC doesn't stem from a misunderstanding of the facts. It stems from one fact only: UHC is not ideologically pure. Exploited, you are wasting your time.

[Spider]