Large-scale drug dealers to be murdered by US government?

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It wasn't a personal attack so much as an objective and fairly rigorously tested observation, backed up by years of experience and 2500+ pieces of empirical evidence.

[ToddStarnes]

I don't think that chart means what you think it means though galt.....

[John Galt]

no, i know what it means. it has a note that it depends on the willingness of authorities to report crimes though, so, there is a grain of salt with it, but for comparing western world countries to one another i would say it's a wash. and europeans, like the hive of scum and villainy to the north of us, have higher crime rates than americans

[Spider]

[Kane]

Iceland is at the top of that list...with no reported murders (data cited from 2008).

Sounds like a good metric to me.

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Property crimes are far more numerous in most other Western nations.

Your rape rate is significantly higher than most, but lower than Australia, Sweden and Belgium.

Your murder rate is significantly higher than (I believe) all Western nations, who generally experience around two or three murders per 100,000. However the US has also seen the same large decline as other Western nations.

Assault rates tend to be hard to compare due to different ways of compiling them, but I think I've read about the UK having a violent crime rate twice as high as the US. I haven't looked at these stats in awhile though so don't take my word for it.

[John Galt]

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As we're talking about the death penalty, I'm not sure that type of crime is relevant to our conversation. Unless you propose death for that as well.

[John Galt]

no, i don't propose such.

here's the deal though. that guy will never leave his confinement. he'll live out his days jerking off to porn and playing video games paid for by the people of Norway. so "rehabilitation" is not an option. if it's not an option, why should he go so unpunished? some people deserve to die, which is why it delegitimatizes the Norwegian government that he is allowed to live. it's morally repugnant that such a creature is living a life of comfort when he killed like 80 people. so talking about how Norway reduces recidivism when talking about this is meaningless. and when talking about it in general -- as you did (you said "Norway has a functioning justice system that results in quantitatively less crime, as a result of reduced recidivism") -- is worthless in general anyway because frankly norway has a higher crime rate than the US which focuses on punishment rather than rehabilitation

we all know the moral of lord of the rings: allowing some wretched murderer to live and then sparing him out of pity can cause tremendous pain, suffering, and death of innocents as well as potentially destroy civilization. this is the same thing here. the man deserves to die

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