Gun Marches Today

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[John Galt]

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You are entitled to continue with your antiquated gun talking points for as long as you please, all I ask is that you do what you did here, and at least get at the merits of the argument.

Disagree with the utterly reasonable demands of the Parkland students? Fine, but there is no need to talk down at them or portray them as some sort of manipulated brain dead mass with no critical thought of their own.

That is bullshit and it is the same bullshit that was used to dismiss Vietnam War protestors, Civil Rights protestors, marriage equality protestors, etc., all movements that were primarily driven and made successful by students and kids, who questioned the assumptions of their parents and authority figures, and used the media to amplify their message. And during these times, there were people like you and fstar, complaining about how kids are being "put up to it" by the "hysterical media" who does such terrible things as reporting on topical news events and million kid marches.

Maybe part of the reason why America has trouble actually addressing these problems is the behaviour demonstrated here.

[John Galt]

they aren't reasonable -- unless you're asking me to parse out the reasonable from the unreasonable. there are reasonable measures, sure. i mean, yeah, outside of private person to person sales (which is limited to a few a year or else you have to be called a dealer) there's a background check. and i don't really care if we have universal background checks to include that. you can get a code from a website, personal to you, that you had run a background check on. and with that code you can have 7 days to take it to anyone anywhere and to transfer ownership they have to run it through the system by checking the code along with your id. then you get papers that say you passed it and print out some sticker or some shit and put it on your own records. no registration, that won't work. you know why? because the liberals in california. 18 years ago they made illegal so-called high capacity magazines (10+) but allowed you to continue to own your own legally acquired property. now they sent out letters to those who followed the law and registered their magazines claiming they are going to be criminals if they do not turn their legally acquired constitutionally protected property in by some deadline. a judge has blocked this madness, but you see what registration gets you?

i'm fine with tax stamps on magazine sizes that go up with how much the mag size is. i'm fine with banning bump stocks. whatever. it doesn't matter to me. the problem is these things aren't going to change the already decreasing slope of the line and the liebrals will demand more until there's nothing left to give because it's not going to change things. if we really want to address violence in this country it's with drugs, it's with addiction, it's with poverty, its with mental illness. and that is the hard shit

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having a reason doesn't mean it's reasonable, otherwise you can reasonably being against guns because they cause school shootings, or be reasonably against ownership because with increased guns have caused ever increasing amounts of school shootings, or you can reasonably be against vaccines because they cause autism

or, you know, you could look at facts on the matter and call it what it is: delusional fantasy that has an objective lack of basis in reality. school shootings are decreasing and schools are safer than ever. some kid making out a will because he's going to get shot and die in school? he's far far more likely to die in a school bus related accident (142/year) or riding their bikes to school (100/year) versus shot and murdered (10/year). discounting suicides, there have been 22 school shootings since 1990 in which 2 or more people were killed. and if anything, handguns are the issue, not scary looking rifles that aren't legal for big game in several states because they are so underpowered. but yeah, go ahead. call it reasonable to just discount facts and say things divorced from any relationship whatsoever with reality because they have a "reason". and with that truthiness will slay truth

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