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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

Postby ToddStarnes » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:00 am

So the gameplan is to encourage people to really get aggressive and in politicians faces and personal space and harass them and yell st them and tell all our supporters they are the epitome of pure unadulterated evil and are chaining children and so on and so forth. But to be clear when violence breaks out that's totally not at all on us. we said to toe the line remember?

You are a perfect mirror image of right wingers during Obama's years. It's sort of eery.
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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

Postby John Galt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:53 am

I want there to be a strong, principled party to the left of the republicans. i want there to be a strong, principled party to the right of the democrats

at this point the GOP is lost in the wilderness. their captain is wrecking the ship and the people on the boat are so scared they actually believe him when he says "believe me, we're not sinking". it's willful ignorance, and the party is falling apart. when people point out that the emperor has no clothes, most say of course he is clothed, but at some point there will be a reckoning and the party will split

the answer to this isn't to go off into the wilderness yourself. the answer is being a strong principled party with a few strong goals. not 50 goals. keep it f**k simple, these are democratic voters you're trying to court, remember? i'll give you a hint what it should be

charles krauthammer and superman have a lot in common, now that both are dead and they both used to be paraplegic. so now that we've established that krauthammer is basically superman we should remember what he said a year ago. a year ago he said that within 7 years the US will be single payer healthcare. why? because republicans have given up ground on obamacare and they can't even replace it with majorities. what's left is worse than before and there will be changes here. the superkraut said that the only options are severe on either side (complete abandonment of medicare and government intervention in health, or single-payer). but even though this guy was literally superman, i don't know that i can agree it is a for sure thing. in fact, i think the future looks dim about it because democrats are basically kids striking out at t-ball

so what ya'll gotta do? you gotta make a clear stance that you want to fix healthcare. talk about the german system (universal multi-payer) with its multi-layers of both public funds and private insurance, the japanese system (30% on the patient (who can buy insurance), 70% on the government) which is mainly hallmarked by government regulation of medical procedures so the cost isn't wild, the canadian system (universal single payer that contracts with private entities) which is about as palatable as single payer could get for america, or the socialist system (north korea, uk, etc, and their single payer with government doctors)

it's clear that medical costs need to be contained somehow. this is the issue. you can be as socialist as you want, it'll be tempered, whatever comes out of it. I don't forsee a scandisocialist system. i do see a canadian or, more likely, a german system with expanded coverage so basic medical care is not an issue of cost for any americans, but chemo or something might cost you something, which you can get insurance for. but it needs to be a clear call to provide new services like that that impact everyone

but then we have the Canadian over there saying the best course of action is to throw shit on people. yeah. that'll show em all
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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

Postby Philly » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:39 am

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The f**k Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse
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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

Postby Philly » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:46 am

Charles Krauthammer was dumb btw. Not a commentary on that take of his specifically.
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The f**k Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse
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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

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Re: Centrist Democrats again prove their worthlessness

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