russia interference, trump, collusion, etc

[ToddStarnes]

Preach


That may be the ultimate solution too

[John Galt]

while i think objectively you can make the argument it is Treason, could the head of state ever be charged with such a thing? as a hypothetical

it's completely appalling that the man would put his own ego above the country that he is supposed to be serving

you know how i think we can stop this? i think it's pretty easy. everyone who gets elected to federal office, all their money goes into a trust for the duration + 10 years after they finish their serving of their term, and the cannot be in any way connected to private corporations, and all financial dealings must be disclosed at the time of filing to run, so that by time you take office everything is accounted for. they have no control over things then, the government does. because they are servants. don't like it? f**k i don't give a shit, many would be glad to serve their country even if it meant they no longer had resorts in scotland. it will stop many self-serving individuals like trump from even seeking election.

trump would sacrifice the lives of everyone in the country before he ate humble pie. the man is monstrously unfit for office and we need to protect the office in the future

[John Galt]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/581000914700 ... show-clips

lol, putin does not like being interrupted

"don't you like my answer?"

"listen to me, please"

lmao

chris wallace, good man

putin does have a pretty good answer for why they wouldn't have dirt on trump though: trump didn't matter at all to russia (he was a private citizen, and it was preposterous to think of him being the president) at the time he was supposedly having whores piss on each other, so why get dirt? it's a believable answer, but... then again... russians should never be trusted





"There was not a caption saying Florida. They could — take a more careful look at it. There was never a caption, 'Florida,' " Putin told Chris Wallace of Fox News.

"No, but you can see it on the map," Wallace replied.

"It was flying over the eastern coast of — no, no, no, it couldn't be seen on the map," Putin said. "Just take a closer look, and don't try to scare your population with make-believe threats. And now — I'm pretty sure I can give you as a present this footage."



OH IT'S REALLY A RANDOM PLACE THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE FLORIDA BUT NOT FLORIDA

[Kane]

Lol Fox News is starting to turn back towards Trump. Highlighting Rand Paul’s love of Putin.

[Kane]

Life is no longer strange

It’s surreal.

Dark days ahead.

[JDHURF]

[Saz]

Greetings Comrades,

Allow me to put forth a defense of our President and an indictment of of our shameful political culture.

1. First of all, it's clear who's plan backfired. Muller. I'm not sure how you idiots still do not understand the nature of Trump. Putin clearly does, Muller seems to not get it. Indicting 12 Russians a day before the summit? What did he think he was going to accomplish with that timing? It's an obvious play to force Trump's hand and it SHOULD have been obvious how Trump would respond to such a play: bold faced defiance, in the face of all odds and evidence to the contrary. This outcome was guarantees when the intelligence and judicial establishments tried to force the president's hand. It's outright shocking to me that Xi, Putin, Jong Un, and every other little napoleon around the world seems to get how to handle Trump, and yet our own political and intelligence establishment seems completely befuddled as to what needs to be done. Instead they continue to goad him when they should know full well how he will respond.

2. To continue on with my criticism of Mueller and out absurd political establishment - they MASSIVELY overplayed their hand by alleging collusion. This is no longer about national security, it is now political. You accused the president of colluding with a foreign power to rig an election, a charge that he will rightly push back on with ever finer of his being no matter how absurd. Now, did the russians try to influence our election? Obviously, I'm sure they have been doing the same since 1917. Did they hack pedestals emails? Again, obviously, but China literally hacked the OPM and Podesta is a dumb f**k boomer who put the nation at risk. These two things are VERY VERY different from alleging collusion on the part of the Trump administration, a charge that has yet to be proved and a charge that has silently been dropped as it becomes apparent Trump doesn't have the capacity to collude with his own party, let alone the Russians. Unfortunately a fatal mistake was made by making this political and alleging collusion – and now obvious Trump refuses to drop it and refuses to admit to the basics because he feels it is a political hit job.

3. Trump was embarrassing in the press conference but it’s not clear he is entirely wrong. What exactly,is everyone else hoping to accomplish? Seriously, what is the end game here? We tell Putin to back off and Putin just backs off? Again, hopelessly naïve. Or we retaliate against the Russians and what? Hope they do no escalate further? No one has a Russia policy, no one knows what to do about Russia, and the truth is unless we want to ante-up and go to the wall against them, there is not much we can do without creating serious issues for ourselves. Are americans willing to endure significant sacrifices, military casualties, the possibility of cyber attacks on our industry and government….because some GRU agent hacked podesta’s gmail? Seriously, we need to consider these sort of things before we start calling for X and Y against Russia. They are not f**k Iraq, they are a serious state with serious capabilities. Yes, Trump should have said something firmer, but at the end of the day that is simply rhetoric, not policy. What is our policy via a vi Russia? No one has a f**k clue except perhaps Trump.

4. At the end of the day Trump is dead right about one thing: we all do this to each other, if I can f**k with you I will, and if you can f**k with me you will. We got got by Putin a long time ago, in large part because the democrats are f**k incompetent. Hillary goaded putin in an arrogant manner and it turns out the Russians are not as feckless as they were when her husband was president. They rigged the primary against Bernie, something Putin ruthlessly reminded us of during the Wallace interview. The most damning thing about this entire charade is that much of what Putin is saying is actually f**k true – he doesn’t even need to lie to make us look like retards and hypocrites, he just needs to restate a few fundamental truths. We meddle in elections all the f**k time. Hillary rigged her own primary. Our democracy is apparently so fragile that 12 GRU agents and $10 million in facebook ads could bring it to its knees.

5. Which brings me to an even more brutal truth. Trumps performance was so embarrassing precisely because he was so honest. He does not believe America is exceptional. And it’s not clear that we are. We talk about promoting liberty and democracy and then we have one party rigging a primary, we rig elections all over the world, and we are no less susceptible to electoral influence than the proles of Gambia or Nicaragua. That’s a brutal f**k truth, especially because for the last 80 years we have all maintained this illusion that we are exception, and that we are the good guys. The truth is we have and always will be just as ruthless as the Russians, the only difference between us is that the Russians are just as ruthless to their own citizens, wheras America takes care of its citizens in a way other nations envy. But even this is fading – most EU states now serve their citizens better than America, where they have free healthcare and education and lower rates of poverty. At one point we truly were special, maybe from1870 to 1970. We were the shining city on the hill and we were gods chosen people. But that time has past and while that fact was masked for the last 30 years, it’s become apparent now. We are not the biggest, we are not the most moral, we are not the best.

6. What made Trump’s performance so disgraceful was his elevation of partisanship over country. We all squabble here at home but when we go abroad and stand should to shoulder with other leaders, we should stand as one. To stand next to the Russian president and go on a ran about your American political opponent, who you already beat, reeks of insecurity. It’s the moment you realize that we, as a nation, are f**k done here. The crack have been there, but this was the moment the damn broke. Yes, Hillary stole the primary. Yes, she is corrupt and arrogant. Yes the whole denying access thing to the server is fishy. But at the end of the day she is American, Putin is f**k not. We circle the wagons without need for a reason, we do it because we are of the same tribe, and that is reason enough. But apparently that’s not the case anymore, and that is a fatal, fatal flaw for a country like America, which truly has nothing else that binds it together other than blind nationalism.

7. And while its easy to slate Trump for this after his performance, it really is a national issue. I don’t trust the media, they are just as partisan and full of shit as Trump. I don’t trust our intelligence agencies, they have been spying on us and collecting all our info for decades, without telling us and without any democratic oversight. I don’t trust putin, because… well obviously. Unfortunately though Putin was absolutely right in Helsinki when he said you can’t trust anyone. You can’t. And that is a flaw that rests with our political and national security establishment. We SHOULD be able to trust them, but given the last 20 years, its clear we can’t. How sad is that. We should be able to trust the media, but given everyone is now an opinion pundit masquerading as something informative, we can’t. Ultimately our institutions have failed and have lost the trust of the people they are intended to server, and there is no one to blame for that but ourselves. When people ask how could Americans, or Trump, believe Putin over the word of our intelligence agencies…consider if the fact that they have secretly been spying on us for 10 years has any bearing on who we choose to believe. Consider the fact that we destroyed a nation, lost 5000 american lives and trillion of dollars, because our intelligence agencies lied about WMD’s in Iraq. We want to put this all on Trump but trump is really just the manifestation of the last 20 years of incompetence, fraud and arrogance on the part of a number of American institutions. The people have lost trust in them and this is the inevitable result.

8. Moscow is very nice and the world cup was wonderful.



Saz Sazarillych Sazaripovich

Lt. Col GRU No. 4658344

[John Galt]

[John Galt]

saz, i think you are correct about many things in what you said, but in no way was what Trump did defensible. you mention what he did was disgraceful for putting partisanship over country. that's correct, but your first sentence says the whole thing is an apology to try to defend him, like f**k hannity, who last night was calling people no true conservatives for abandoning their dear leader. he's in an extreme minority thankfully, but jesus christ/ it's indefensible. trump isn't a private citizen, he's the goddamn president

remember when that communista came to the UN and talked about how Bush was the Devil, and the podium smelled of sulfur? and remember all the democrats lining up to condemn him for doing that? for all our partisanship at home, that's irrelevant. it's our president. talking about email servers, ignoring own intelligence and intellegence of the entire western world... and hannity calls that "strong". f**k that man

[Saz]

No it was disgraceful. A personal act of cowardice and a national act of submission. I’m just not sure there is a real policy implication here, and I think the fact we are even at this stage reflects the severe failures of our institutions over a number of years. We want to throw this at the feet of trump but really this has been building for years. Surprisingly rand Paul has made some good points on this speech. Kind essentially accuse him of collusion and so he rightly gets defensive. He is also not off the mark about aiming for better relations with Russia. I’m not sure what everyone else’s plan is but if it really is to step to the Russians then we need a national conversation about that, it can’t be a reflexive reaction to a handful of Russians hacking a Gmail account and buying Facebook ads. That said, trump struck the complete wrong tone, which is surprising to me because usually he has the right instinct about this sort of stuff. It was just embarrassing all around and he made the country look like it was run by pussies and hypocrites (which it is but again that’s something we discuss at home, not while standing next to the president of Russia). Putin must be laughing all the way home, he has had a hell of a good week.