Sanders announces 2020 bid...

[spacemonkey]

Its funny how humans think the way we pass money around, and to who, will make a difference in solar output, or the type of orbit the earth has around the sun. One thing about a higher sea level though is the storage capacity for wet will increase.

[John Galt]

exploited?

[spacemonkey]

[Kane]

Also Jimmyz,

You're quoting a geologist:

https://teejaw.com/much-carbon-dioxide- ... l-warming/
http://euanmearns.com/about-euan-mearns/

And here's why he's wrong:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... elp-solve/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... l-warming/

[John Galt]

yeah basically some warming can cause a lot more, by releasing CO2. in the case of the PETM -- the paleocene-eocene thermal maximum -- this was consistent extra CO2 for thousands of years, which probably released methane as well. this caused an 8C spike in global tempertures. the ocean was bathwater warm, and there were rainforests at the poles. and it would have stayed that way if it weren't for the azolla event. the azolla fern that lived in the slightly brackish lake at the top of the world can live on very little amount of fresh water. and it can push freshwater throughout a thin layer of the surface. as this was more lake than ocean, there was much stratification, like the black sea. nothing lived at the bottom. and every summer with constant daylight the azolla flourished. and every winter in constant night it sunk to the bottom of the sea. and there it took the carbon with it, slowly but surely cooling our planet. it reached a point where other sinks could take over, causing runaway cooling, where it would sink more carbon than put into the atmosphere. and that is where we evolved. now we are back to putting more into the atmosphere at levels unseen in this history of the world except for, as theorized, as part of the K-T extinction event (the end of the dinosaurs). some scientists think vaporized carbon from the rocks that the comet hit, in addition to worldwide volcanism as a result of the impact, caused increases in CO2 similar to human-caused increases, and it was this shock to the global climate that actually killed the dinosaurs. an interesting theory. i'm not saying that it is the end of humanity. i don't think we could kill ourselves with climate change if we tried. we'd get to max about 8C warmer... yeah, warmer, and yeah, it would cause a lot of issues but humanity would endure. but that doesn't matter, i think there's a lot of things we would lose, from cities on presentday coasts, to various breadbaskets, to most species of plants and animals alive today (especially the oceanlife), and a lot of things we need to try and keep.

[John Galt]

part of the reason behind the "cooling" and theories that it was part of a trend was there was apparent drop in temps after 1945

this apparent drop was because of buckets, but i think it's safe to say we can blame the nazis

during the war, the british had other better things to do with their time and stopped taking measurements of temperature of the ocean. before the mid 30s, the british took roughly half the world's ocean temp readings, while the US took roughly the other half. by 1944 this was 5% british temp readings and 80% american.

the problem was these two nations read the data differently. the british would throw a bucket overboard and haul it up, then take a temperature, which would have cooled slightly to match the air. americans on the other hand took the temperature of water after it had been pumped on board into the engine room to cool engines, and the air temp in these rooms would have warmed the water slightly. this caused an apparent increase in temps leading up to 1945, and a massive drop in temps after as british resumed taking temperatures in peacetime

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ture-blip/

and we only recently realized this, in trying to explain where this drop came from. so in the 1970s some people could look and say "hey this is a drop, we're heading for an ice age" and they did. of course, it was dwarfed by the amount of people who said the climate was warming, but whatever man, doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it

[Kane]

I just don't understand why people would rather quote a person with a degree that isn't climatology? I see it all the time.

[exploited]

Clinton supporters still going after Sanders, two years later. Which begs the question: is it possible there are others more intolerable than Hillary herself?

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