Ottomans: best and worst thing to happen to islam?

[eynon81]

I wonder if England would have stayed Catholic?

If there is no Ottoman threat, there's no need for a strong Holy Roman Emperor. If there is no need for a strong Holy Roman Emperor, there's no need to make a Spanish guy Emperor...if the Spanish aren't tied up in the Empire there's no need for the Pope to kiss Spanish butt. If he doesn't need to kiss Spanish butt, he can give ole' Henry that divorce he wanted.

hmmm.....

[Boris Johnson]

[The Comrade]

[The Comrade]

and honestly you've hardly addressed any of the points i've made franz. instead you've bogged this down into historical inanities

[eynon81]

[The Comrade]

teehee

[Boris Johnson]

I admitted I was having trouble with the ambiguous scope.

Once I've finished werk. I'll get back to it k.

[The Comrade]

ahem

[Boris Johnson]

Well, heres my problem.

Lets imagine Ertuğrul never makes it to anatolia, he falls down a big hole into loads of scorpions or something.

So no Osman, no ottomans.

But the Sultanate of Rum is still there. Right?

AS your bascially saying STOP f**k TALKING ABOUT RUM ITS THE OTTOMANS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

but the Ottomans were a direct successor state of rum, itself a turkish culture.

[The Comrade]

and it's YOUR problem.

imagine ANY scenario in which rum falls to the wayside and doesn't develop into a huge and powerful empire. there. now answer to the greater point of this thread instead of engaging in intellectual masturbation. yes dear, we get it. you know stuff about stuff.