[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 543: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 127: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4829: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4831: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4832: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4833: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3911)
Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State • Page 9 • General Discussion • Political Crossfire Forums

Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

The place for general political discussion.

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby J.K. Gregg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:08 pm

Subverting a business and a union's right to contract isn't progress. It's regress.
Objectivist, IT professional, news junkie, geek, and husband. Formally known by Tetracide. I do the twitter @jk_gregg.

You're wrong until proven correct.
User avatar
J.K. Gregg
Senator
 
Posts: 1612
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:54 am
Location: Northern California
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 114 times
Political Leaning: Objectivist

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby John Galt » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:13 pm

Americans learn only from catastrophe and not from experience. -- Theodore Roosevelt
My life has become a single, ongoing revelation that I haven’t been cynical enough.
User avatar
John Galt
Technical Admin
 
Posts: 14869
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:22 pm
Location: Bowling Green Massacre Survivor
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 719 times
Been thanked: 1497 times
Political Leaning: Classic Liberal

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby The Dude » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:19 pm

Image
User avatar
The Dude
Governor
 
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:11 pm
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 122 times
Been thanked: 277 times
Political Leaning: Middle of the Road

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby J.K. Gregg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:20 pm

Yes and yes.
Objectivist, IT professional, news junkie, geek, and husband. Formally known by Tetracide. I do the twitter @jk_gregg.

You're wrong until proven correct.
User avatar
J.K. Gregg
Senator
 
Posts: 1612
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:54 am
Location: Northern California
Gender: Male
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 114 times
Political Leaning: Objectivist

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby John Galt » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:24 pm

So then tet, do you think its a better situation with or without Taft harley , knowing that unions still have Wagners power
Americans learn only from catastrophe and not from experience. -- Theodore Roosevelt
My life has become a single, ongoing revelation that I haven’t been cynical enough.
User avatar
John Galt
Technical Admin
 
Posts: 14869
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:22 pm
Location: Bowling Green Massacre Survivor
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 719 times
Been thanked: 1497 times
Political Leaning: Classic Liberal

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby Hyperion » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:29 pm

I've perused this thread but haven't seen a credible argument that the law should forbid unions from striking with the intent of getting the employer to agree upon a closed shop. Most of the other complaints lobbied don't concern right-to-work laws but federal labor legislation.
User avatar
Hyperion
Senator
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:23 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 121 times
Political Leaning: Libertarian Socialist

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby G5000 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:54 pm

If belonging to a union is a superior form of employment, then people will join the unions without being forced to do so.

The fact the unions feel laborers should be forced to join their organization smacks of flop sweat.

You are not given a choice of unions to join in a closed shop. There is only one, and you must join. This is not freedom of contract by any stretch of the imagination. This is extortion, plain and simple. And now it has been outlawed in Michigan. Good.


I will tell you the real reason the unions are angry.

In the hi-tech industry, you won't find many unions, if any. And the hi-tech industry is the safest and best paid sector, after the financial services industry (which is also non-unionized).

There are more hi-tech jobs than there are people qualified to do them.


But for the low-skills jobs there are more workers than there are jobs. So the union laborers are seeking protectionist measures to stifle the competition for those jobs, and a closed shop is one of the crudest methods used to that end.

Right to work laws level the playing field for those jobs.


Instead of bitching about it, they should be waking up to the fact the days of growing up to work in your daddy's factory are over. The low skilled jobs need to be sent overseas to developing nations where they belong, and we need to be training our workforce for the high skilled jobs of tomorrow.

Silicon Valley has figured this out. The sooner labor and teacher unions figure this out, the better our future will be.

.
.


We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. - Ronald Reagan
User avatar
G5000
Mayor
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:14 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby Hyperion » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:03 pm

So let me get this straight:

It's not fair for a union to get the employer to change (voluntarily!) company policy so that every worker is unionized, but if the workers request anything else and the employer agrees, that's fine and dandy.

And so we should have the state mandate that employers can never be backed into this situation. Because that's a free market solution.

Double-think at its best.
Last edited by Hyperion on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Hyperion
Senator
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:23 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 121 times
Political Leaning: Libertarian Socialist

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby The Dharma Bum » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:04 pm

User avatar
The Dharma Bum
Vice President
 
Posts: 11594
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:31 am
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 3285 times
Been thanked: 617 times
Political Leaning: Anarcho Communist

Re: Michigan Becomes 24th Right-to-Work State

Postby G5000 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:06 pm

.


We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. - Ronald Reagan
User avatar
G5000
Mayor
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:14 pm
Gender: None specified
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 46 times

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 69 guests

cron