Hey Liberals. Stop talking about guns.

[eric]

[Divinity11]

[J.K. Gregg]

I'd posit it's a crazy person thing.

[eric]

[The dane]

[The Dude]

[Aaron]

[Mathurin]

[John Galt]

mexico has very few guns yet higher amount of death by guns, dude

it's drugs that's the main problem. guns are just tools to get the job done -- the job in this case, killing rivals and protecting territory/product. drugs, in combination with our huge border with mexico, is why the us is different than europe in this. fix the drug problem and you fix most of the murders in this country

this does nothing to explain mass spree murderers who are typically disturbed white men but it does help explain why the united states has a high murder rate. unconstitutional gun laws could perhaps stem those type of things but it's a small subset of the overall homicide rate. gun law changes are going after the wrong problem. what they do is terrorism. they murder a lot and then they terrorize other people into giving up a lot of rights and liberty for the sake of imagined security

[Gremlin]

Pretty charts and color coded maps are fun because it draws in the weak to gaze.
In reality its all crap, anyone with a slant one way or another can doctor up some numbers and paint a picture.

If someone can reasonably argue with stone cold logic that i, or anyone, do not have the right to protect myself from the initiation of aggression onto myself, my property, my family and friends with a firearm. I will happily turn in, on video and post it on youtube, my AK47, all my rounds of ammunition, both of my handguns and my pistol grip Mossberg 500 to the Maricopa County Sheriffs office on 35th ave and Dunlap in Phoenix AZ.


Before we get started. This isnt something where a "because" is enough for the argument. All facts are game, all paper realities are game, and the saltiness of reality trumps any conjecture on the debate regardless of the point of view.